"Canadian Corporal Rob Furlong, formerly of the PPCLI (Operation Anaconda, Afghanistan) - achieved a recorded and confirmed sniper kill at 2,430 m (2,657 yd) in 2002 using a .50 caliber."

So yeah a 50.cal sniper rifle the AMR which is a barret .50 cal can kill people from 2KM away.

I dount one chapter of the BoS can with stand the Legion, even with a fancy one shot weapon that can only shoot once a day.

So because some dude from canada can do it the Legion can? Okay...
And you keep confusing Archimedes 1 with archimedes 2...

Bos were outmanned like 30-1 at helios and still held on for quite a long time.
NCR>Legion so Legion are going to lose Badly first attempt..

Remember what happened at Hoover dam when the Legion lost badly?
Someone's going to get burnt and dropped into a ditch and then the Legion are going to back off and lick there wounds for 7 years.. Just sayin'

I was just saying it is possible to kill someone with a AMR from over 2KM

It does not matter, if I am mixing up the difference between the two. Both weapons are once a day. The BoS would be unable to use it as a 24 hour wall of protection. They can use it once to kill off the first wave attackers (killing any BoS outside Helios) but the second waves will make it through.

Also simply destoying the panels will cut the power. It does not matter if we can't destroy them in game, they can be damaged, we have seen damaged ones. Should not take long for the Legion to put two and two together that panels are giving the weapons its power.

BoS lost to NCR and NCR wasn't even full force. They lost to a simple scouting/expeditionary force. BoS would get their ass kicked by whole Legion Armies.

Now here is another way to look at it. Siege warefare. Legion just sets up shop around Helios and waits for the BoS to starve to death.

I love how you base that on absolutely nothing. Cute.

Oh for crying out loud can we stop beating around the bush. Brotherhood of Steel pwns Legion. Lore or no Lore or no fairy tales.

Endless Centurians with whatever garbage they are carrying < 5 paladins with gause rifles/tri-beam rifles/gatling lasers

Maybe I was just seeing things when I saw Archimedes1 fire multiple times on test? Could have been a glitch I guess.
Whole legion armies? With no NCR in the area? Ok, why?
It would be a legion scouting party, which would mean they'd get smashed, either by the BoS, the Desert Rangers or their fruitless attempt at storming Nellis.
Lots of people seem to be giving the legion advanced knowledge of things, I don't really understand this.
Caesar knows stuff in-game because he's been there, scouting and spying for years..


I just thought of something else quite interesting too, now when you first talk to Mr House he tells you that he's been searching for his platinum chip for years.
With no NCR in the area, House would have had no reason to renovate the strip, no strip = No Benny to steal the chip.
No ncr also equals no need for a fort above the weather station..

I'm sure people can see where I'm going with this..
And before anyone talks about the Legion simply blowing up the L38, firstly why would they? It would just be another abandoned inaccessable building to them.
Secondly, Caesar had years to try and open a set of elevator doors made by house and failed.
Pretty sure his actual place would be either stronger or at least as strong..

Basically I think you can see where I'm going with this lol...

Man there are just so many ways in NV that the Legion are screwed..

Now I know why I quit the forums for a while.

Anyways, the Mojave BoS chapter vs the Legion would be a one sided battle. I even remember a paladin mentioning the Legionnaires prowess in battle.

Hey, its not my fault the Legion are a rubbish faction in FO.
You think I actually 'like' having garbage characters in my game?
I'd love it if they were actually good, they're not though, svck it up.

Present your argument then and we'll do this the old fashioned way (No duel at sundown though).

Argument for what?
The legion being rubbish?
I've seen the same legion loyalist in almost all of these threads, you know exactly what they are and why they svck.
I'm not wasting my energy repeating lol

"We had them outnumbered like what...20-1, put up a hell of a fight though...by the time we had reinforcements they were gone"
-NCR officer

"We were holding them back, but by then they had more men than we had ammo."
BoS Paladin

"Helios-One was the worst G*d-damn action I've seen in a long, long career of fighting."
Senior Paladin Hardin

Doesn't sound like an expeditionary force.

So the Legion is bad because you say so. Nice argument bro, I now see where you're coming from.

The Legion are capable warriors, but honestly I think they get their butts royally kicked by pre-Helios Nevada Brotherhood of Steel.

The argument has been made over and over 'BRO' people say why the hate the legion, why they svck etc etc
Legion fanatics appear and talk absolute nonsense about stuff that doesn't even exist (Citizens, REALLY) and then quote things from a wikia that is wrote by fans and is full of the same kind of nonsense,
yet these legion fanatics buy into it like its some kind of fricken FO bible..

So yeah I think the legion is bad but I KNOW that it's not just me saying so, I've seen you in many threads trying to frantically defend your precious skirt wearing wannabee romans.
Don't try and come at me like that, like I'm the only one you've ever tried to defend the legion to.. lmao

I loved the part where you proved absolutely nothing. Once again, sweet argument, broseph.

I loved the part where you entirely missed the point of my post and instead of a witty remark you tried to both belittle me and make yourself look 'cool' at the same time.

Congratulations to you sir, well played. :facepalm:

Caesar's GOAL is to completely conquer over the WHOLE of NCR. No NCR in the Mojave, Caesar will just march his armies straight through till he gets to the border of NCR. Then he will keep right on going till NCR stops him.

This means that the Legions armies sent to capture NCR will be totally focused on taking out the BoS. Mr.House does not have his armies of Robot and he will be under siege. The Booms will be left alone or under siege from the Legion. BoS would be no different. Legion will just seige them. BoS had yet to set up shop in Hidden Valley. If the BoS go to HV it will just make the Legions job easier, "A cave is a grave."

You mean except for the fact that House still has at least 4 more times the securitrons then you think he has, confirmed by ncr in their endgame. the Desert Rangers are still around and the BoS haven't been decimated by the ncr, but yeah you're right, would be a cake-walk for the Legion.

I mean the mojave 'would' be the most direct route from legion territories to ncr territories right? I mean thats why in the game the ncr can easily send troops to reinforce the dam quickly.. Oh wait.. Hmm..

Mr.House knows he can't defend himself from the Legion or NCR, (without his army of robots) he says so himself!

Legion have a much easier time sending troops to the Mojave then NCR. NCR can't send people in from Northern Nevada because of the divide. They have to go around the mountains and in from the West.

Point is, NCR isn't there and the Legion want to take California aka the NCR. Which means the Legions Armies would have little to know opposition. BoS would put up a fight but in the end will lose. They lost to NCR, they can lose to the Legion.

You talk as if the Mojave chapter alone can crub stomp the whole of the Legion. They can't. Without NCR the Legion would have free rain in the Mojave after they deal with the BoS. All the Legion have to do is siege them. Let the BoS throw themselves at the Legion until they starve to death or run out of ammo, what ever comes first. Best bet that is how NCR won their battle. BoS ran out of Ammo.

Yeah completely missed the point here.. The ncr can't send troops in quickly because of the divide and the big empty.. Caesar scouts areas first, so assuming he's going to send in full armies on a route that is hazardous in the extreme is foolhardy, especially when they already prove to quite adept at crossing water efficiently anyways.

The legion are so obsessed in nv because they want to defeat the ncr and they want new vegas as their jewel in the desert, both of which wouldn't be there with no ncr there in the first place..

Also you keep leaving out the desert rangers, the original badass legion stompers.. with no ncr, there is no treaty with the ncr.. So it's not free reign after the 'handle lol' the BoS.. they are going to have a massive fight on their hands, for what, a really bad route to the ncr homelands? lmao ok..

I updated my last post (the one you quoted) before you posted. The Legion will invade NCR by means of the Mojave. Does not matter if the Mojave isn't the best way into NCR it is the only way they can.

Talk to Caesar, talk to Lanius. The Legion's Goal is to take all of NCR. They want to take the Mojave and keep right on going till every last inch of NCR is under Legion control.

Legion wants NCR. Which means they will march right on through the Mojave and into NCR. Which means Caesar will be sending armies to invade NCR through the Mojave. Which means the Mojave BoS will have to deal with Armies loaded for bear to invade NCR.

The Mojave BoS would be nothing but a small road bump on their way to conquer NCR. Same with the Desert Rangers.

Mojave = only way into NCR other then going all the way north then around the Big Empty/Divide.

This this this again. Nobody wearing skirts going out with Machetes(i know they have guns) is gonna kill a BOS palidian. You may beable to when you outnumber him/she but remember there the ones that replaced TANKS.

Yeah using quotes from Caesar and Lanius on their invasion plans in a world were the ncr AREN'T in the mojave is pretty pointless.
Legion wants ncr territory, fine. It's NOT ncr territory though is it with no ncr there... :facepalm:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Legion_Centurion_armor

Ok let me make this simple for you

NCR is in the West. Mojave is in the Middle. Legion are in the East.

For the Legion to get to NCR which they want to Conquer they have to go through the Middle. Is that dumbed down enough for you?