I don't know if this was brought up in a diffrent thread, but i was wondering what the Mojave would be like if CL arrived in Vegas before the NCR did. Such as some of the following aspects,

-Would Mr.House have accepted the Same offer that he gave to the NCR.
-Would CL have full control of the Dam
-What would the local communities be like
-Would CL have let the Brotherhood keep control of Helios 1
-How would the NCR deal with the local community if CL already had control over the region
-Would CL still be based in the fort or would they use Mcceran

I just wanted to know what you guys think the Mojave would be like.

I think if the CL got there the Strip would be chaos CL would try to capture and enslave anyone you said otherwise. They would hold the damn but probably not know how to get it working so perhaps move on.

Mr.House may have been able to hold out in the Lucky 38. The strip would have been under seige.

Boomers would have made the Legion pay dearly.

To me the Dam was more of a giant Highway across the Colorado then a source of electricity for the Legion but I am sure they would have made some use of it.

The BoS would have been able to put up a good fight.

Maybe the Enclave Remnants would have put up a fight "cutting swaths through the Legion."

Only thing I could see for sure is that the Mojave would not have any of the Factions that are there now other then the Legion that is.

NCR would see the Legion as a much greater threat.

If Legion got there first then there'd be five things in the Mojave:
1. Legionnaires.
2. Citizens.
3. Slaves.
4. Boomers.
5. Super mutant/ghoul settlements/camps/villages.

Nothing else would exist there and they'd have full control over everything except the Boomers.

I can see them leaving the Mutant towns alone, simply because it isn't worth their time but the Boomers?

Going back to the mutant towns. I doubt Marcus would stay or at least not that long. Sooner or later the Nightkin would get pissed off and leave to find more stealth boys and they would cause alot of troube for the Legion. Legion would then be forced to deal with Jacobstown. They might then also go after Black Mountain.

Now for the Boomers. I can see Caesar doing one of two things. Leaving them alone or trying to through siege which would not work for the Boomers are self contained. Or try to take them through wave after wave of attackers. If Caesar wants to take the whole of NCR and we know he does want that, those howitzers would be a great prize for the Legion.

If the Legion got there first?

I'd say Elijah figures out the secret of helios, can't see the Legion going all hell for leather on it like the NCR did.

Elijah + Supreme space laser means bad news for everyone. Including house, boomers, legion.. It'd be almost as bad as Elijah controlling the Sierra madre :S

Jacobstown:
If Legion came first then Doc Henry would likely not be in Jacobstown working on a cure, so it's possible that the Nightkins won't even be there as Marcus has no one to work on a cure and can therefor not promise anything to them.
And if they are there then Legion could likely trade away their Stealthboys as they do not use them for whatever items Nightkin has that might be of use.
Hell, since Legion seems to be so "meh" about Stealthboys they could just give them away as they have no use for them.

Boomers:
If Caesar wins the story then he leaves the Boomers alone as he knows they're a force to be reckoned with.
Lanius on the other hand wants them gone so he calls a strike on Nellis which ends up with many legionnaires losing their lives.

I don't think House would've appreciated Caesar like he did the NCR because he can't manipulate them. There would be war and the NCR would win because they would pick up the pieces after the carnage. Of course all of these events are excluding The Infamous Courier that gets shot and left for dead in Goodsprings but is magically brought back to life. If the Courier is involved I think it would turn out the same as if the NCR got there 1st just more slavery, war, and less stable communities.

Jacobstown: Do we know how long Doc Henry has been there? I can't see the Legion trading with Mutants. Let alone ones that were once elite soldiers of the Master's army that now how schizophrenia.

Boomers: I guess Caesar would leave them alone but it would not stop any future people like Lanius from trying to take the Boomers once Caesar dies.

Does it really matter with Elijah in control of archimedes 1 and 2? lol

What would it be like? Well, my silenced sniper rifle, 5,000 .308 rounds, and a stockpile of chems, and the Legion wouldn't stand a chance against the Liberator of the Mojave :disguise:

You mean the space weapon that turns out to be nothing but a once a day fancy artillery piece? That would be sure to stop the Legion in their tracks :rolleyes:

That only happens if the Boomers help the Legion at the dam. If not, they're simply another tribe to be conquered.

Archimedes 2 is a once a day obliterate anything you aim at weapon sure.
Archimedes 1 is the plant defence mechanism that fires when triggered, right?

So basically when activated Helios becomes untouchable and Elijah can just destroy anything he points at, at will, once a day..

Crap I forget about the Brotherhood Of Steel but the Legion would still win because they have Joshua Graham and the Frumentarii units heck I forget about Graham it's going to be harder for the Courier to beat the Legion. The Courier will still win but it will be a tougher battle.

Joshua Graham?
Heh yeah I forgot about him, yeah I definitely say Elijah takes it all then, JG is just dumb enough to keep throwing legion grunts at the plant to get vapourized.
Hell, after a day there'd be none left.

I guess he could end up being The Burned Man after all, in that scenario.

Haha yeah no doubt

Well, "legionnaires" won't trade with them since they're the military/law but I'm sure Legion citizens who are traders might be willing to earn a big cut by buying the stealthboys for a decent price from Legion's stock and then selling it to the Nighkins and turn a profit.
And no, we don't know how long Henry has been there, but Jacobstown does seem like a recent location.
So... Legion comes in, kicks ass and takes [censored] over.
Tabitha kicks Marcus out of Black Mountain and he starts Jacobstown.
This means that Henry might have fled the Legion, been turned a slave or maybe been accepted as a citizen who now runs a low profile.
And if he wasn't part of the Mojave before Legion entered then why would he enter Legion lands?

Oh god, the 'citizens' again... :facepalm:

Also, Henry, daisy and the rest of the remnants have been in the area for a long time.
Hence them saying that they didn't think it would be as long as it was before they returned to the refuelling depo in 'auld lang syne'..

Easy answer, me and my brothers and sisters would move in from the Baja just a little bit earlier and take the place by storm.

He's old chances are he was killed because he isn't useful in the Legion's eyes. Just look at the end slide for The Great Kahns they join willingly and still have their old and sick killed and, have their women turned out.

As to the mutants, we never really see the Legion confront any (Super Mutants, Nightkin, Ghouls, ect) so we have no idea how they'd treat them, but if I had to guess they'd attack them on sight.

I also want to actually see some citizens before I actually believe they have them. As far as we're aware they are Military, Baby Makers, and Slaves.

I also think if the Legion was already there the slaves, people hiding out, and the people back in NCR territory would probably support the NCR a whole lot more making the Legion being the ones that are getting constantly attacked. Making the NCR look more good then gray.

As for House I have no idea he could be defending New Vegas or could be dead, really depends on how long he could hold out I know he would give the Legion the same deal as the NCR that's for sure.

1. The Khans elders were wiped out cause the tribe was going to be integrated into the Legion. I don't see why they would care if a citizen is old.
I know, I know, it does sound flimsy as [censored] who they decide to kill, enslave, integrate, allow citizenship.

2. From wikia: "The Legion openly discriminates against super mutants and ghouls, considering them beasts. However, they will not go out of their way to attack or destroy them, if they do not provoke an attack."
I'm going by this bit from the wikia. Legion has no real quarrel with mutants, they don't want them in the Legion, they most likely don't want them as slaves as ghouls are rotting flesh, nightkins are crazy and regular super mutants aren't too bright all the time either.
So what's left?
Kill them?
They could but they have no reason to do that.
I'll be going off of that wikia excerpt until we get some new lore telling us otherwise about Legion.
But frankly it would be a saving grace of the Legion if mutants, while discriminated, are allowed to live free in their lands.
Legion has so many "negative" points that it could really use another good point.
So hopefully Obsidian don't [censored] [censored] up and make Legion even more evil... <_<

3. In the Vegas ending slider for Edward winning it says he enslaves much of the population and "peacefully lords over the rest". They also guard Primm in on of the ending sliders. Then we have Dale who's free to roam around Legion lands and trade, not to mention they have their own currency.
While we have no 'carved-in-stone' fact that blatantly points out that they have citizens it is hinted several times

Brotherhood, Enclave Remnants, and the Boomers would have laid waste to the legion. The NCR is the only thing that made those groups keep their heads down.

Legion has no reason to attack the Boomers and the Boomers have no reason to attack the Legion, but in case Legion does feel like attacking the Boomers then they can, in Lanius' ending slider they do and conquer them, and that's after the battle at Hoover Dam.
Enclave Remnants were just that, remnants, they did not have their power armor and energy weapons when Legion rolled in.
And BOS?
Have you seen Centurion armor?