Hey there, I'm new to these forums but have been playing Fallout 3 avidly since it's release.

I've just pre-ordered Fallout NV and in preparation I thought i'd start a new game on Fallout 3. But to mix things up a little i'll be an Evil character for the first time.

Basically, is there anything I should know and any handy things for me to find to help with my quest? I used to have good Karma and breeze through the post game with Fawkes so any advice would be great

Well, there are plenty of evil acts you can do to push your karma through the floor, but one of the most efficient (and a nearly endless source of caps and evil karma) is "Strictly Profitable", going out and enslaving people for Grouse. As Ares, I did a lot of that. It amused me to no end to hear Three-Dog calling me names like "Capital Crimelord" and "Wasteland Destroyer" then telling about all the nice things I'd done.

Other good karma-killers are
"Power of the Atom" (Burke's path) = -1000 karma
"Tenpenny Tower" (side with Roy Phillips) = -500+ karma
"Tranquility Lane" (do as 'Betty' tells you) = -500+ karma

As a follower, I suggest Jericho, he's reliable, hard to kill, and deadly at a distance. Clover's better-looking, but not nearly as tough.

Yeah, "Power of the Atom" was one quest I was definitely going to do. Thanks for all the other tips as well, they will all help me a lot :goodjob:

Maybe you should play this song while doing your various nefarious deeds...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujzp9ffPwPM&feature=related

I did an evil playthrough as well, after being nice all the time.
At the end, I killed everyone. So basically, being evil is not very hard. Kill everyone, steal everything. Walla, you are the most vicious person out there.

How about slave a kid in little lamb cave where those pest are.

kill, steal, beat up, pickpocket, take what you want, shoot what you want, and if all else fails, blow the place up.

Well nuking megaton would be a good start, but before you do that, kill and murder evreyone in there, then nuke it just to make sure. To be fair though even my evil characters are based in megaton, as it only has 1 or 2 loading screens before you get to your lockers in you house, whilst tenpenny tower has like 4 or 5 before you get to your loot lockers.

Edit-Just make sure you get that special somthing out of lucus simms house before you, ya know :nuke:

There's more than one kind of evil...


There are those who think playing a character who is always killing people and stealing things is the way to be evil... and I suppose it is to an extent. It's very short-sighted evil, though. It's the kind of evil that usually gets you dead, in real life... rather than gets you anywhere.

Then there's the liars... the hypocrites... the fiends who pretend to be your friend, only to stab you in the back the moment you show some sign of vulnerability. That's another kind of evil. Treacherous evil... a very dangerous thing. These men are mercenaries, scoundrels, con artists... you name it. Sometimes they're the leaders of a village asking for your help. Sometimes they're an old childhood friend. Sometimes they're you...

Then you have sadistic evil. These are the people who ENJOY watching others suffer and writhe in misery rather than simply die. They're not out to kill... they're out to -punish- and -maim- and -torture-... for little more than their own pleasure. Raiders fall into this category, largely... though some are more like the first description... simply homicidal psychopaths. Rapists, thieves, murderers, and sadists... Raider for short.

You also have the Enclave... my particular 'favorite' brand of evil. These are men and women who are so twisted and warped in their convictions... that they don't even think that the atrocities they commit are wrong. They believe, in fact, that what they do is for the 'greater good'... and that their deeds will be reflected as such when finally they have succeeded. These are the fascists... these are the zealots... these are the 'Crusaders'... and they are willing to go as far as they have to in order to accomplish their ends. Because so long as the ends justifies the means... morality is a moot point.



The smarter the evil character, though... the more you find yourself doing -fewer- OUTRAGEOUSLY evil things.

Smart evil is knowing when and where to apply your touch. Cruel evil is deriving your pleasure from the suffering of those upon whom your touch is applied. Liars and Thieves and Con-Artists get what they want, often times without ever having to deal with the messy violence and bloodshed. But sometimes, a bit of good ole' fashioned psychopathic rage is just the ticket.

There's more, too... but this is a good start for evilness.

Wow, if they had multplayer FO I would like to join you evil one . . . . :chaos:

This may sound odd, but doing The Wasteland Survival Guide is probably the most evil thing you can do in the game.

Let me explain:



...hmm...

there are other places where one can get food than the two mention. the lesson is if one thinks there is a store of provisions it might be guarded.

That's the "http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidEvil" method. When i play an "evil" character, i question why they are "evil", what are their motivations? My usual combination is selfish and unsympathetic, looks out for himself, and doesn't care how his actions affect other people. In Fallout 3 this translates to negative karma and thus "evil" character.

Well said.



Another well said. I agree wholeheartedly with both of these responses. My character is the epitomy of evil. I did not blow up Megaton. I do not randomly kill people or thieve their belongings. I don't even slave...

Welcome to the forums... I believe you will find a gob of great players hanging out here... willing to help you out, if help is needed.

'Bout playing evil and if you are anything like me. I have tried to play through with an evil character a couple of times and it never really worked out. I have a hard time looking out for number one (me) only. Sometimes I just have to do a good thing which screws up my evil persona.

Somebody just recently, on this forum, wrote a great post on playing an evil character. One of the points he made was that [paraphrasing] "being evil does not mean running around killing everyone is sight, that is psychotic. Being evil is basically committing acts and doing deeds that improve your character in some way... to hell with anybody else."

Hopefully you can find his post... sorry I don't have it available for you.

Yeah, I forgot about Bryan and Bumble. Enslaving them will definitely kill your karma.

I suppose larger-scale evil would be to do a crappy Wasteland Survival Guide, and have Moira publish it. You'd kill hundreds indirectly. Also, if you capped off Three-Dog, you'd kill a major source of hope for many wastelanders. The latter is like blowing up Megaton or enslaving Bumble: no matter how evil a character I'm playing, I can't bring myself to do it.

Thanks for all the helpful comments, everybody. I think I may create a new character considering the character I have just now is what many here described as the "Stupid Evil". You know blowing things up, slaving and killing everybody that gets in my way. All of these comments have really inspired me to make someone different instead of the usual "goody goody help everybody" character and the "Kill, Slave, Blow up, Kill some more" character. All of these comments will definitely help me create a unique character when I get New Vegas on Friday, so thanks a lot! :fallout:

Enslave Everyone!

That would be Epic to see no one in every town and were do they go when you Enslave them anyway? besides the invisible house in paradise falls

and when I was a evil dude I had explosives maxed and just throw Frags every were...

That's okay if you like it, one of my characters usually ends up as "Stupid Good"

i have a gatling laser, plasma rifle, and a couple other modded weapons, i can afford to be stupid :flamethrower:

sides, being stupid evil is so fun. but i guess ive played greedy evil from time to time, and it usually just care about yourself and shoot who doesnt give you what you want.

but i can always be evil by doing this. listen to your conscience, then do the opposite of it.

I'm going to start another run of fallout 3! I've never managed to complete a full game as an evil karma character, but now i think i'm gonna be a smart evil type...
I'm not gonna run around and kill everyone, but more like a serial killer type who kill the people he wants, and if he gets enough caps, kill people someone ask him to kill!

That's actually another source of annoyance with FO3, in that there is a Contract Killer perk, but you do not actually receive any Contracts to inhume particular NPCs. IMO it would have been good, if as a part of the employment you can get from the perk, it also opened up a faction quest, similar to the Morag Tong in TES III; and the Dark Brotherhood in TES IV.

Jenifur Charne

I like to RP an evil genius. My current character for instance is prodigally inteligent and perseptive, giving her the ability to read people and manipulate them however she sees fit. I maxed out her speech and charisma and gave her the black widow perk so she can fully control just about anybody she meets. She's an ambitous girl who would never blow up megaton because she wants to rule the place not destroy it. She dissarmed the bomb but only when she could gaurantee that she would be able to get the maximum reward out of simms. She then proceeded to kill Simms and Moriarty so she could be in charge. Jericho also died because he's too unpredictable and really the only other person in Megaton who could be a threat. Gob is easily controlled so she'll just leave him in charge of things when she's off earning her keep as a slaver. I also just downloaded a slavery mod that I'm itching to try out so Harden Simms may be taking a little trip to Paradise Falls soon, just in case he's thinking of getting revenge for his father. Tenpenny tragicly lost his head and "fell" from his balcony. He's a powerful man who wanted to destroy her little kingdom so he had to go. Also various other little things like It's not about blatantly slaughtering every one and blowing stuff up (although that's fun too :chaos: ), it's about the things that nobody ever sees. An out of control psychopath may be frightening but there's nothing more terrifying than an intelligent and calculating sadist.

Not exactly, I talked to a random Wastelander when I was exploring all the vaults. He said the survival guide helped his family. He was up to 2 meals a day.

Depends on the quality of the guide you make. If you lie about everything to Moira people will tell you that the book is worthless and you may see them die in the mini encounters - killed by molerats and such (they won't know how to make the 'repellent')