Turtles all around!

:turtle: :hugs: :clap: :turtle:

I hear what you are saying, but in the same regard every class works as a good first (or second) for an operative character. The operative will generally operate in solo fashion -- every other class will provide the same character with the ability to support the rest of the team more actively.

Anybody know if you will be able to respec points on a character or are they just permanent since you have the ability to make ten characters? If not then I think Ill have to put a lot more thought into what skills I want to take for my dual character. It would svck to think that one ability is good (on paper) only to go out into the field and have it be nothing like you imagined it to be. Basically making one precious point a wasted one

You can fully respec at the cost of one level.

Awesome man thanks for the info that is actually a great idea. You get to respec AND re level your character woohoo!

What do we know about *how* Heavy and Light body types are chosen, and how permanent the choice is? I am under the impression that body size will default back to Medium during a respec. If so, we might have to choose to change size from Medium to Heavy/Light instead of choosing another ability at that particular level. But I know I am guessing what seems reasonable to me.

Any thoughts on these thoughts?

Huh? from what I've gathered you may change your body type at anytime in the menu.

After you've unlocked em obviously.

Anytime between matches if you have unlocked them.

I recall (but I have watched and read enough interviews that I unfortunately cannot say specifically where) that between matches Devs have commented, usually quite quickly and almost under their breath, that you don't change a character from heavy to light (for example) between matches but instead that you actually switch to another character (who happens to be another weight). [Note: I am hearing Ed Stern's voice in my head, so perhaps I think I heard this in one of his interviews.] Ahem, anyway. This suggests a level of permanence to your choice of weight which is greater than simply switching between weight classes between matches.

Another way to think about it: We are being given 10 character slots. Without weight being somewhat "permanent" for each character, there is really only a need for 4 or 5 character slots (one for each class).

Clearly I am guessing, and I admit it. However, is the above statement confirmed or another highly educated guess?

Edit: Additionally, it could be that the interviews I am remembering are, in fact, older ones and the feature has changed. So that is another variable to toss into the salad, as it were.

Edit #2: This is a quote from HORSE on another forum, but dates from 2009. Clearly old.
"Body types are NOT changeable during a match, but classes and weapon loadouts are. However, body types can be changed in between matches (at the beginning and end). I'm not sure if you would change the body of your existing character, or have to change to a different character with a different body type. If so, People will probably have at least 3 characters (one for each body type)."

I remember way back when they were supposed to be permanent like tattoos etc. That is not the case now.

This. Seeing as you dont unlock Heavy til lvl 5 and Light at lvl 7. You wouldnt be allowed to switch from Medium with that character youd have to make a new one

So you can change inbetween matches at the character customize screen

Once again, I don't know how credible this source is. Is all of the information below "old"?


From http://brink.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Character_Customization

All the customization options are available to all 3 body types - there are no specific options available exclusively to certain body types. Also, Body types are permanent. Whatever body type you choose for your character, is the body he will always be. Right now, changing body types is only allowed between matches, and you would change to a whole different character, not just swap out body types.

When changing sides for balancing teams, you will remain the same size and a pre-selected outfit for your character will be selected.

Unconfirmed: You will be able to change body types on a character, however the body types are treated as skills. Therefore, you will be medium for, most likely, the first five or so levels. Then you can choose to spend a skill point on being either a light or heavy body type. If you sell back the ability ( Your ability to sell back skills is confirmed) you will most likely become a medium body type.

The first part is old, outdated information and the second part is just plain untrue.

You don't unlock the heavy and light body types still 5 and 7 respectively.

I'm honestly giving up on that wiki and just going to find out what I want to know by trial-and-error along with the accounts of my friends who will be playing Brink with me. Eventually, I'm sure that site will get cleaned up, but I have my own reasons not to trust it in the first place.

The problem is that anyone can edit it, and not everyone bothers to check their facts or update it when things are changed. And then other people take that incorrect information as the truth, and it just leads to confusion.

However, Richard Ham has said this (June 2010):

(http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?p=579782)
You can change class at any time during a mission using a Command Post, and when you’re between missions, you can change your body type via the appearance customization options.

Yes change classes at CP and body types between matches what are people not understanding?

Also for Brink info check me or the Compendium not the Brink wiki.

It doesn't have the huge community base and rabid editor organization of other games either, so it's not like intentional vandalism will be caught and removed in a timely manner either.

Someone had vandalized one of the SMGs to say it doubled as a bakery. When someone else posted it here, I had to go :toughninja: on it, but that's the last I've seen of the wiki.

Tis easy. This is a feature that has changed. So there is conflicting information available (and conflicting quotes from devs).

True but I am just going with the most recent thing I remember from the devs and if it changes I will be sure to inform the community complete with linkage.

I think the idea of a duel spec is interesting but I think you will always be at a disadvantage to those who pure spec into one class, its only fair after all as you get the extra flexibility during the match. Since body types are set for the match it makes sense to create your duel spec around similar body types. For example I can see a Heavy Soldier/Engineer combination working well. The soldier would be especially good for offense but could also be useful on defense, the Engineer with heavy weapons deployables plus mines could be very good on defense. It would also be good for destroy/repair/build objs although poor on escort human targets and carry objs.

At the start I think it makes sense to create a pure spec, better to learn one class and the maps and then move onto the next rather than trying to learn them all at once. You also have the added benefit of having all the class abilities + the universals aswell. Those who duel spec will have less universals and less higher end abilities in their 2 classes. As for players combinations and teamwork. I could really see 2 Heavy body types pure specced as Soldier and Medic causing some real chaos. Both would have lots of HP with powerful guns, The Soldier could be the one in front taking the most dmg and throwing ammo to the medic and himself, while the Medic in the back can keep him alive and support the attack. Since they are both the same body type you don't have to worry about one falling behind. Sure it will take them awhile to get to the objective but once they do they will be there for awhile and they are going to do some serious damage.

It does not appear to be the choice SP are making. However, to deter the volume of wanna-be-ninjas that might be appearing in the game, I personally think that Light and Heavy body types as abilities makes a lot of sense. You wanna be a ninja ... well it's going to cost you an ability slot. Alternatively, you wanna carry the biggest guns ... well it's going to cost you an ability slot. To me this makes sense, and I would still favor playing heavier body types (and would expect that you would still play Light even though it might cost you an ability slot).

If I can change size like I can change a shirt, then I can get away with having a much smaller complement of characters.

ON TOPIC: My main three will be:
Medic/Engineer
Assault/Medic
Engineer/Assault

How about an Engie/Medic, so that he can hold out longer and be a x2 benefit for the team?

the body types are not abilities though they even released that you can FREELY change once you unlock it

brinkwiki is broken just like all wiki's its not offical