Ditto

I have played a little of Arena when I downloaded it from this site a few years ago, played Morrowind quite a bit when it first came out played Oblivion and Skyrim is the best out of the ones I played. Morrowind being the least enjoyable, it's so tedious to play

For sure Morrowind for me, it just has so much more fun spell effects and whatnot that apparently have to be removed little by little with each new game in the series. Honestly Skyrim is a great game but it was the magic system and spell making that made me love TES in the first place and Skyrim's magic just seems generic and dull, not to mention that there's what one noncombat related spell in the whole game?

I just have to wonder, what's so good about Morrowind? From a gameplay stand point I mean, I saw a bit of footage from it and it looked pretty crappy..... :mellow:

Skyrim.

Morrowind was great, but even when it was first released I had problems with it, like how the NPCs never slept and shops never closed, and every NPC said the exact same things. Also, the countryside was really dull. Parts of it were fun to wander, but a lot of it was just wasteland. When I first started playing the game, I wanted to see everything, but soon I started to realize a lot of it looked exactly the same, and it took me a long time before I explored everything as a result. Still a really great game though and I have a lot of fond memories.

Oblivion had better NPCs and a prettier countryside (albeit a more generic fantasy setting, but I still spent WAY more time seeing all the sights). The side quests were also more interesting. Oblivion WOULD have been my favorite game ever, but the level scaling really ruined it, as did a few other things like the psychic guards. You couldn't get away with anything even if there was NOONE around. It also had less lore than Morrowind did.

Skyrim, so far, has fixed everything. The level scaling has been fixed as far as I can see. The graphics are awesome like in Oblivion but the setting is less generic. Every cave/dungeon I've been in so far has looked different, unlike Oblivion where they all looked the same. The crime system has been fixed. The world feels more alive. And I love stumbling upon random things, something that was missing from Oblivion.

Total agreement there.

Why is everyone is hailing Morrowind as the best ES game? It's massive decline over Daggerfall.

+1

Unfortunatly I have to agree with you. Unless leadership changes in the dev team of the TES series I don't see another TES RPG, just open world games that are average at best.

This.

Well, it's from 2002, so don't expect it to have good graphics...


The gameplay was fantastic.
You had to explore the world. I think that's why it's so awesome...

I'm also exploring Skyrim like hell, so maybe that's why I think it's so good

Having played the last three games, I would say Skyrim.

While I do miss some of the old skills, the new leveling system is better. Its not perfect, but the statpoint allocation from the previous game after a lvlup was terrible.
I find the new crafting skills have somewhat odd balancing. After powerleveling blacksmithing and breaking the game with it I restarted my character and took a more normal approach, which worked out fine.
But this is all without any patches. And once the constructionkit is released things will become endlessly more interesting + custom balancing. (my immortal horse annoys the hell out of me)
For example: I want to be able to craft arrows. I want a non-enchanted Nightingale Armorset, because the default ones are terribad. Etc etc...

Nevertheless, my main problem with Skyrim is replayability... Its way too big!
This may differ from player to player. I personally like to complete a game as much as possible with a single character. Right now im level 35, 55h playtime, having completed only 2 of 5 faction questlines (Thieves and DarkBrotherhood).
These were awesome, but too short. I wish they had made the faction\guild questchains longer and less random quests all over the world. Not really wanting to do ALL the random sidequests, and not knowing which ones are the more interesting ones, I prefer doing multiple faction questlines. But they dont last too long, and they also dont go together too well lore-wise. Thief + DB makes no sense from an RPG point of view.
Completing the game a satisfactory amount would take like 200 hours playtime. Thats longer than my 3 playthrougs of Mass Effect 2. How the hell am I supposed to want to replay that. Maybe 2 years later with a few dozen mods

Ok enough text.

Every time I play Skyrim I'm liking it more. It started - obviously - at the bottom but has already surpassed Oblivion for me in any way. But Morrowind - that's a tough one to beat, if only for nostalgia. I'll have to come back in a few months or more to tell for sure, honestly.

What I like most about Skyrim as I get further along is how much it reminds me of Morrowind, the best Elder Scrolls game. I loved Oblivion, but it just felt way too modern terrestrial. This is the first Elder Scrolls game that I absolutely love the weather system and environment in general. Heavy snow and wind is just awesome..I even love the fog effects. Its got some texture problems but those will be modded to perfection in time.

Vanilla? Easily Skyrim.

Morrowind is great, and I have many good memories in it. But that's just it; they are memories. The game is stale. Static NPCs, no voice acting (although I like it in certain aspects relating to mods), bad graphics (albeit great for the time), glaring glitches, and bad combat. Yeah, the atmosphere is terrific, the storyline is pretty good. Mods is what made Morrowind great for me, otherwise I wouldn't of put the hours into it that I have.

Then Oblivion came, I bought it about 1 year after it came out on my brand new PS3. Amazing, first next gen graphic exposure. Amazing factions, set in my favorite type of setting, full voiceovers. Just great to me. I liked it so much I bought it on my PC a few months later. Then mods took over and the game got even better by fixing the terribad level scaling.

Skyrim on the other-hand is great out of the box. There are very few issues I need to be fixed with mods. The world is just terrific, modern day Morrowind. Immersive, great combat, great storyline. All just good. It's like Morrowind and Oblivion had a baby, added with some genes from uncle Fallout 3.

1. Skyrim
2. Oblivion/Morrowind
3. Never played Arena/Daggerfall.

What method you use for thinking? I'm really curious.

I only played Morrowind (at 2009), Oblivion, and Skyrim.
Skyrim wins an easy victory in my favorite ES game.
Playing Morrowind at 2009 isn't a good idea, the graphics and gameplay are terrible. I couldn't play it after playing Oblivion.

No we want a revolution. Oblivion was better designed. Better quests longer and more fun. Magic too.

As far as Nostalgia goes, Morrowind will eternally take the top spot for me, just so many, many memories, Skyrim after a year or so may just eventually succeed Morrowind, it's still a bit early.

1. Morrowind
2. Skyrim
3. Daggerfall (Never actually played much)
4. Oblivion


As a stand alone RPG game, Oblivion was certainly not "Bad". However as an Elder Scrolls game, it was very much a disappointment. Which is probably why there are people who like Oblivion, because rather than being fans of the series, they simply wanted a decent RPG and Oblivion at least offered that much.
Many hardcoe ES fans started the series either with Daggerfall or Morrowind, Morrowind set the bar pretty high for it's time with the setting and overall feel of the game, so when Oblivion arrived, the ES fans were really let down by it because despite it looking nice, the quality in gameplay and style was a step back, so most ES fans don't really like Oblivion as far as the Elder Scrolls series goes, however it would seem Skyrim has successfully made up for what Oblivion did.



Sadly in this day and age you really can't play Morrowind without alot of mods to update the game in a few ways, then it becomes very fun once again.

I'd have to go with Skyrim

Arena I never played.

Daggerfall was an amazing achievement for the time, but it was never much chop as an actual game. And good lord those dungeons were painful.

Morrowind....Vvardenfell itself was just amazing. The world they created is up there as possibly the greatest achievement in any game, to my mind. An unbelievably rich and inspired world, that feels entirely realistic and convincing despite its crazy outlandishness. It was really beautiful when it was released too. Exploring its world and taking it all in was unparalleled. The actual gameplay mechanics....left a fair bit to be desired, but that was okay because the rest of the package was so compelling. Until Skyrim was released, I was convinced they'd never better Morrowind.

Oblivion....had some better guild quests (okay, mostly just Dark Brotherhood), and most of the graphics were very technically pretty at the time. I guess the combat was a bit of an improvement too. Um. Yeah this game was terrible. Worst of all (worse than the daedric-armoured bandits) was just how uninspired and superficial the world was, like there was no love put into it at all.

Skyrim's world may not be quite the towering achievement Morrowind's was, but it's created with the same sort of love and care, and it shows. Combine that with gameplay mechanics that finally just work, really good quests and the best dungeons they've ever had, and the overall package nudges Morrowind out of top spot for my money.

This

I like all four of them equally. You could give me any of them and I'd be estatic.

Oblivion. You may make fun of me and treat me like I'm an outcast, but this game was simply amazing... In fact, I'm going to replay it again as soon as I'm done with Skyrim.

This. :thumbsup:

If you're implying that consoles are greater than PCs. . .

Then you must be dreaming. :snoring:

If you meant to imply that PCs are greater than consoles. . .

Then your symbol (>) is backwards.

It should be < (less than). :grad:

Troll?!! Seriously?? This post is actually perfectly backwards. Confused much??

Ehhhhrm. Go to the Imperial Library ( http://www.imperial-library.info/ ) and read up on the Tribunal, The Nerevarine, The Allesian Doctrines, The Battle of Red Mountain, Numidium, the dissapearance of the Dwemmer and the Heart of Lorkhan. All of which can be either directly or in-directly linked to the main quest line and narrative of Morrowind. I mean come on, even links back as far as the dawn era and the forming of the Et'ada!

What do we have in Oblivion? Mehrunes Dagon decides to invade Nirn... Deep much? I mean ok, we do have the falling of the septim bloodline and the end of the third era, but that's narrative 'being formed'. Hardly anything in Oblivion is drawn upon from the over arching lore of the ES universe. It just picks a few main characters and spits an idea out on a whim. Its only now we've come to Skyrim that the narrative in Oblivion is tied back in to the over arching narrative, which isn't mentioned, at all, in Oblivion.

One of my pet peeves is people having opinions about stuff they really know nothing about.