From the recently closed thread about the same thing.

I've got ONE minus (con) about it being on Steam.

The price of future DLC in €.

I'm hoping that Steam's previous helpfulness in making the FOSE Loader work with Steam versions of FO3 will mean that any such script extender adaptation efforts will also receive aid from them.

My first experience with Steam was a bad one. It was when HL: 2 came out and I was on dial up. Between my dial up and the bugs and problems Steam had then I swore I would never use Steam again. As my Mother used to tell me, "Never is a long, long time." and thus...never was cut short and I now have a few games via Steam and have no problems with it. I find it far and above what GFWL has to offer and it seems less intrusive by far. I'm fine with this and thankfully it won't be a problem when I upgrade or get a new pc. That is as long as Steam is around and it seems they are doing well atm.

Steam has come a long way since it's initial introduction. :shrug:

Actually buying it from the Steam store and having Steamworks built into the game are two different things. Steamworks being in the game pretty much forces Steam to be running to play a *single player* game. GFWL never needed to be run...ever...to play Fallout 3. I certainly never ran it. It just needed to be installed is all.

DRM isn't the issue. Steamworks running all the time...on a single player game....is the issue.

What?

I frequently play my games in offline mode because Steam is on my gaming rig (desktop) and for work and other things, I use my laptop instead. And I have, in probably 100s of hours of gaming on Steam in offline mode, only had a single issue where Steam was trying to update... something and froze. I rebooted my PC, still not hooking it up to an internet connection, and activated Steam, brought up Dragon Age and continued playing with no problems. :shrug:

I agree with you. Steam takes waaaaaay to long to download due to where I live.

I'm glad they're using steam, I love it.



Well you'll only need to install it once then you can just play in offline mode.

That's why you buy it retail...

Personally not had many problems with either steam or gfwl. But I do not buy a lot of games. So by the time I had them installed most of the kinks got worked out I presume. I dislike having to install extra content on my pc. But thats just because I am an insular person in rl and it feels the same as someone bringing an uninvited friend to my house.
But as long as I have them already I do not mind. If they had chosen another new system for it, Then that would be another issue.

In a sense, I'm glad they ditched G4WL, though - since it ain't a great of a system in the first place, given its known issues (especially on the saved game profiles crap) that really never really got fixed or anything. It can be a royal pain-in-the-butt, at times.

On the Steam front - well, I like that I got some of the benefits of Steam here - such as the updating features, easy to back-up entire game on DVD w/ its Steam back-up utility, optional Cloud support, Friends List on Steam, etc.

Though, bleh @ the freakin' quirks and annoyances of Steam - i.e. installing every Steam game to STEAM folder; have to activate game upon installation process; have to boot up Steam program to boot up the game.

Well, yes.... if the two options are Steam or GFWL, it's Steam 150%.

So let me get this straight:
If I go to the store and buy a DVD of F:NV, when I install it, not only do I have to install this Steamworks stuff, I need to activate the game through it, it needs to be running in the background when I play, and I can only install the game to a particular directory in my computer?

I really hoped that they would just not bother with Steam, if I buy a game retail then I shouldn't have to use an online gaming platform to actually play it. I own a few games on steam because I didn't realise they actually used steam and if I didn't have to use it then I wouldn't. I guess there isn't really anything I can do about it though since I am probably in the minority.

I easily disabled GFWL on FO3, so is it possible to do the same with Steam for FO:NV? if not then I will most likely not buy the game.

I'm 99% sure that you can put Steam in to "offline" mode.


I'm afraid so.

Maybe they'll offer an alternative because of this backlash. Sure, it may be the minority, but it's still potential customers for Obsidian/Beth. I wouldn't get your hopes up, though.

I hope they go back to using only disk checks. I hope Bethesda/Obsidian are not going to go the same way as Ubisoft.

I am glad this decision was made. I use Steam most of the time, am happy with it.

I am highly disappointed by this news.

Steamworks is only "least intrusive" to people who like and use Steam. In actuality it is an account-based DRM method which prevents resale, playing without authenticating online, playing without using the client and patching offline. While Games for Windows Live for Fallout 3 was a hassle, you could ignore the GFWL program itself and have a completely DRM-free game. With Steamworks we now have internet activation required account-based DRM. This is NOT a good change, and anyone saying otherwise is a fan of Steam and does not realize there are people different from them.

I find the Steam client bloated and annoying, and more importantly I think any DRM is worse than no DRM, which Fallout 3 had. This is sad, sad news for me. I will still buy the game sadly, unlike many other Steamworks titles I cannot pass on New Vegas as I am too much a fan, but I am not a happy customer, and I wish Bethesda could see through the loud and very passionate Steam fanbase to know we do not all want Steamworks in our games, or account-based DRM.

If the game has an offline non-Steam install option, like Rogue Warrior did (another Bethesda title), then please disregard this message and thank you for thinking of ALL your fans.

You still have to authenticate the game online. Also, Steam must be online to "go offline," so it really benefits you little on a day-to-day basis. Offline mode is mainly for situations like if you are moving and know you will have a gap in internet coverage. It is not useful for unplanned internet outages or playing the game without Steam itself, and it does not change the fact it is online-authenticated account-based DRM.

You please the majority, it's just business

I've been using Steam forever on Valve games and it's about as brain-dead easy as it gets. No complaints from me on that choice.

GFWL, on the other hand, was a huge steaming pile of hot radioactive rods...

.. was afraid of that.

Last year, the only game I wanted to get was Assassin's Creed II - not for the gameplay, really (too "consoley"), I just like the theme of the game and the graphics - and then I read about their implementation of DRM. Needless to say, I have not played it If this Steamworks is really going to be implemented in the retail DVD version of the game, I guess that's it for me and FO and any Bethesda title (or any title) that comes with this. May as well.. I'm too old to be playing video games.

Steam isn't anywhere near as bad as Ubisoft's DRM. I would suggest considering it instead of just blowing it off. At least formulate an educated opinion. Not saying you don't have one, not saying you can't. I've just seen a good bit of people go "OH WHAT THE HECK? DRM? NO!" It's really not that DRMish. I have yet to see another reason for hating it, other than the fact that people have to install it.

I'm not 100% supportive of it either. I'm not quite sure what stance to take on it now. With my experience it's not half bad. But others really don't want things like that on their computer. Sorry if I came off as accusing you, or insulting you. That's now what I was trying to do.

I think it's an assumption that the majority would choose Steam DRM over none at all. Do you know that is the case?

Actually, I think you're right. Besides that, not everybody looking forward to this game is on this forum. We're more than likely the very small minority. So a majority here may be a minority everywhere else.

I am actually glad they are getting more strict with this. You have no clue how dissapointing it was to rush to the store, buy Fallout 3, then the day after all my friends had gotten it for free... I wish they had to pay for it too >: D Plus I like to support the game companies, and think they deserve their money for their hard work. So I gladly pay for a good game.