THANK YOU.

Thanks to Bethesda and Obsidian.

Regardless there's no exist any DRM or copy protection strong enoguh to stop piracy, STEAM is the BEST choice for PC games and gamers. So the DRM STEAM offers doesn't matter at all, the other features that STEAM provide to the user are way better than GFWL.

STEAM Cloud, STEAM Community, STEM Overlay, automatic updates, no DVD check, multilanguage support, download the game whenever you want, achievements, tracking your playtime, etc.

Seriously, for me, nowadays STEAM is the BEST way to play on PC. And I'm very happy Fallout dumps GFWL.


Thaks again.

Really disappointed to hear this - steam as an option for those who like it and find it convenient sure. But to make it obligatory for an offline single player game is ridiculous. The two games I'm currently most looking forward to, Civ5 and FNV have both gone down this ridiculous route, presumably for the nice backhanders they get from Steam - it certainly isn't out of consideration of their paying customers. Which in turn has changed them from must buy pre-order games to wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole games for me.

As for the "offline" mode debate, since Civ5 was announced with this I rersearched it a bit to see if it was something I'd accept, and on far too numerous to count occasions I've seen customers who use this mode having to in effect re-authenticate online every two to three weeks, as their game "mysteriously" :rolleyes: stops working unless they do so - so no, it isn't a one time only activation online. Not to mention all the other crap you have to install and download to get the game working initially. For me that's asking far too much of customers who purchase a single player offline retail game.

The industry as a whole really needs to look at itself and ask why it spends more time worrying about pirates than it does about people who choose to support and pay for their product, because ultimately all they're doing is driving away long term, loyal paying customers in the false hope it will halt piracy, which has been long proven to be a fallacy.

Personally for me I'm beginning to think it's time I get a new hobby, I have limited time with other commitments to play games - I certainly don't want to waste that time messing round with DRM and having to constantly check games before I buy to discover which new-fangled half-baked DRM scheme the geniuses in suits have chosed to inflict on their customers this time.

Edit: PM'd instead.

I agree frappez, sometimes all this DRM nonsense and the push to pay-to-play makes me want to just stop buying new games altogether. It's a shame, but then these companies do not need us anymore, they have tons of new and younger fans who buy anything.

How is it better than DRM-free? How is it better than Steam integration being an OPTION?

I don't get it.

I read the entire post to which this thread is built on and they will only use Steam as an on-line activation source. You will never have to use it again afterwards or run it again. That's what he said and if he's lying the General Population is gonna kick his ass

Where did you read that you'll never have to start Steam again? Cause, you know, you have to and I can't find anything that might imply that.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1096751-fallout-new-vegas-fan-interview/page__view__findpost__p__16020668

Nothing about Steam not having to be used. You can switch Steam to offline mode, that's what he's saying. ^_^

Wow slow down please, just to clarify do we need to have a steam account to play new vegas ,also we have to activate it once and then we could install it anywhere?

Because, for me, STEAM is NOT DRM.

Anytime I turn on my computer, STEAM starts. STEAM is a must have software every time I install a new OS. Is part of my computer.
For me is not mandatory, because I would use STEAM anyway to launch the game. Because is where I have muy friends, where I can track my gaming time and where I have all my games together.

What I don't get is why anyone don't want to use STEAM... It has no sense.

People have free will we have to deal with it.

My distaste for Steam has little to do with the technical merits of the client or the usefulness of any supposed benefits. My opposition is primarily ideological, for lack of a better term coming to me. In considerations between individual persons and corporate entities, I side with the persons.

After I purchase a product, any further relationship with the company that produced it should be at my discretion. Steam requires a personal account to use the product, and in this case, it is an otherwise, altogether unrelated party. This relationship is primarily for the enrichment of Valve and its corporate partners through control of continued access, gathering and mining of data, and marketing through the required client. That I may be undermined unobtrusively provides little consolation.

Valve is not alone in trying this, nor indeed is it restricted to software companies. Practically every business is trying to figure out how to do this, which is why the issue concerns me so much.

I am left wondering what benefit all these companies see in using Steam. It can't be primarily the DRM because games on Steam are still pirated. Is it access to better information on the hardware install base? Is it a larger profit on virtual purchases and the hope that requiring physical purchases to sign up will increase future virtual purchases? Is it access to the marketing data and opportunity provided by a corralled community? Is it the hope of changing the open PC platform into a Steam platform to make sales and marketing more efficient? I really can't decide.

Whereas for me, it's just an online shop with some extra requirements, some HD/memory drain, and automatic updates (which isn't always a good thing. There are times I like to have control over whether to update a game or not).

Don't care about achievements, don't use any online "networking" sites (like Facebook, or twitter, or MS gamer profiles, or....), etc. Only thing I've used Steam for is getting Half Life 1, Portal (Mac), and Torchlight (Mac). And the only reason I have Steam in the first place is because it was installed with HL2.

(I much prefer purchasing games on physical media. For one, I deinstall and reinstall games all the time. Then there's the reassurance of having the thing in your hands. And finally, there's the fact that the US's broadband network just isn't Asia's - I just don't feel that downloading anything above, say, a few hundred meg is something that I can take casually. Some people may have networks where that's the case, but most people don't. Digital distribution's a nice idea, but the infrastructure just isn't there yet.)

This is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME! Why in the world do I care about online achievements, or some "Steam cloud" or online "friends". This isn't a FPS or MMO kiddie game. I don't have online "friends", if I want to hang out with friends we go to the bar and watch a game. New Vegas, like Civ 5, is a single player...offline game. Steam offers *nothing* to me I want, ever...nothing. At least with Civ 5 there is multiplayer BUT only use Steamworks if I want to go online and do that, which I never, ever will. But noooooo, Steamworks is required even if I never go online to play. No sale.

Sure, let me sign in and activate it once, then I don't want to ever see it again. Not possible with Steam.

I think some of the Steam fans tend to forget that most people don't play online multiplayer games. It may be your whole world but there is a much larger gaming world out there. I can still install and play Civ 1 I bought 20 yrs ago on floppies. You think I'd be able to still play a Steam infested New Vegas 20 yrs from now when Steam will no longer exist? Not a chance.

And we won't even bring up the fact that Valve can up and ban your account for any reason. Say I get double charged for a game and I dispute the 2nd charge. Ooppps, Valve bans me and I lose *all* the game I purchased with them. Sorry, but I'm not going to be svckered and that's not gonna happen because I will never use Steam, period.

Vavle can`t ban your account, they can only VAC ban it (though that`s only when you cheat) and that would only affect multiplayer games.

Pity. Given the choice I'd rather play on the PC over the X-Box, but I like my achievements (nice pool going on at work over who can get to 30K first). Shame they can't use both like Dawn of War II...I like Steam and GfwL isn't that bad when it behaves.

Those who dislike the steam version can buy the collectors edition if it comes to that.

I like Steam so I have nothing against this. But I used to get the "best" games as a hard copies.

It looks like steam is integrated into every version, down to the exe level.

I meant that if you want the hard copy. You'll order the collectors edition.
Because collectors edition should be as hard copy format, since all the bonus stuff you'll get.

Maybe they don't make hard copy version of collectors edition for PC. I don't know. And I don't really care... :shrug:

Yep. All retail and digital versions will have steam, that's how it works.

But don't worry. Valve have provided information on Steamworks - http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/ - Give it a read.

If you aren't sure about Steam in general, you can http://store.steampowered.com/about/, and then get some of the http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851573 available. If you get NV, you'll get Steam anyway, so why not familiarise yourselves with it now?

Hey, don't look at me, I've got a ton of steam games since steam is really convenient for me. I don't even have to leave my house to buy a new game.

And those sales! Oh Cthulhu, the sales!

Last Christmas, right? :hehe:

This is about all that matters to me in this issue as I have a soddy modem that sometimes decides to cut the connection for an unknown reason.

Every Christmas. And they usually have a decent sale every weekend. I'll certainly put up with steam for a $50 game being reduced to $30 or even $20.

Meh. I don't really like it.
So are my FONV files going to be in the Steam folder now?