This. Our player can only insta-learn spells to keep the butthurt fans away.

Lies!

Cannons had no military relevance until the modern era. It made a lot of noise and didn't do much else. There was a lot of shot fired in the siege of Constantinople, for instance, and it had no strategic impact. If there's cannon, there would be muskets, and there aren't and shouldn't be.

Any recent mention of cannons in Sentinel? If not, I'm going with they don't exist anymore. Probably because they're woefully ineffective compared to magic.

Not true, the Mages Guild was founded on the idea of making magic standardized and available to anyone who wanted to learn. Any race can be a mage.

Dosen't the dominion have what are essential space ships that shoot lasers? Sunbirds?

I doubt it, as there's no mention of it, and there would have been in the great war. Like a lot of cool things, I'm guessing thats lost to time.

Or maybe there holding them back for desparte times or the defense of the summest isles. The dominion, if they excel at anything is there espionage (Which could be compared to modern days) they could simply never used them.

If they keep them back for defense, then they're a non issue when it comes to invading the dominion on the mainland.

I also wouldn't by any stretch of the imagination compare their spying skills to modern times. We've seen their spywork fail before.

Yeah, but compare them to the Stormcloaks non-extisting one, the crappy Pentiulas Occultus, the two remaining blades left, and you get a pretty awesome spy network

I wouldn't say non existing, as the cw hinted they had spies, as did the legion. But yes, its clearly better than the others. But you don't need spies to hide ships. And given how little we know about them and how they're barely mentioned, I'd gather they have less than a handful at best. If that. Otherwise we'd have heard something about it by now, even before the Thalmor.

If the Altmeri still have them then yes.

The horseback archer forces of the Persians & Medes didn't take Elam and Babylon and not advance their knowledge and society, the Mongol nomads of the Gobi desert and grasslands of Mongolia didn't take China and stay as barbarians, the Mongol style Turks didn't take Constantine and still live in tents.

Europeans didn't take the Americas and parts of Asia and not absorb their knowledge. Prior to European conquest into Asia their castle towers were square but soon learned off the Asians to make them round. Where do you think the of making gunpowder originates from? The Europeans took the knowledge of gunpowder used for ceremonial fireworks and turned them into weapons and then sold them back to the Chinese.

We know Imperials & Nords have their own crossbow (steel) learned off the Dwemer. We know from Redguard and also Bloodmoon they get their hands on airships. Why not?

In addition to this we see Nords learned to make ebony armor from Dunmer (confirmed by Skyrim ebony armor having Atmoran / ancient Nord patterns on and Draugr deathlords use it), then from TES lore we see that Tiber Septim took Morrowind for it's ebony and took control of ebony trade and in Morrowind & Oblivion we see Imperial looking ebony designs (inc. Imperial Dragon armor which looks like a variant of Oblivion ebony). So again we see Imperials using the technology of those they occupy or ally themselves with. The same was with the Akaviri and the Blades - which to me is the only logical outcome of so many years rule over Tamriel.

Altmer aren't exactly known for sharing. This is even if they still have sunbird technology, which is completely unknown.

What is this sunbird thing?

Birds made of light, apparently. Possibly flying ships. I don't think anybody knows.

If Bethesda does ever have them appear, it better be vs. dragons!

Is there a link to them or anything? Meh, dragons would do em in.

The Berbers Almohads had and used siege cannons in 1248 before the Europeans came up with their own designs , the Mongols had cannons in the 13th century too

That would be very interesting to see.

Agreed. There's not a page, not that I'm aware, they're just mentioned a few places. MK commented on them: "Made of crystal and solidified sunlight, with wings though they do not fly, and prows that elongate into swirling Sun-Birds, and gem-encrusted mini-trebuchets fit for sailing which fire pure aetheric fire, and banners, banners, banners, listing their ancestors all the way back to the Dawn.

This is Old Mary at Water."

Make of that what you can.

I already clarified, I'm not disputing that cannons existed prior to modern times, but they had no military significance until then. The Chinese had hand cannons, too, but same goes for firearms- they were only a factor in warfare in the modern era, and in a world that contains magic I don't know why you would use them at all. Unless they were magic cannons.

They are mentioned in a PGE, I forget which one.

Cannons by the way did have a use in ancient times, the Chinese ruled the seas with their battlefleet equiped with cannons.

Cannons on a field of war were used for what we now call special ops. They were usually one shot only, but in the right circumstances one powerful and unexpected shot can win a battle.

Actually the Chinese had gunpowder weapons since the Song Dynasty while most of Europe was still being ravaged by the Vikings. The Mongols who first conquered the Jin Dynasty of Northern China introduced gunpowder weapons into Europe (the Jin having adopted gunpowder weapons from their southern Song neighbors), but thanks for using inaccurate historical example anyways. Also the Mongols used both Chinese and Middle Eastern engineers and foot soldiers to operate most of those machinery which is why once the Mongol Empire feel they did in fact regress back to being the same bickering nomadic tribes they were before Temujin without the technology of the people they once conquered, with a few exceptions such as the Timurids or Ilkknate who were slowly absorbed by their conquered people and ended up becoming a part of them.

Also the Turks had left their nomadic lifestyle behind a loooong ass time ago when they took Constantinople.

Crossbows and airships are a poor argument given the many Dwemer ruins laying scattered around Tamriel which makes them ripe for taking and their technology easily salvagable. It's not like the Dwemer are around to stop them and most of those remaining Automations could easily be overcome. Also gameplay =/= lore. We see a loading screen of a Thalmor wielding a Daedric sword, do you realized how lore breaking that is for a extremist faction of a devout Aedra worshiping race to be carrying the weapons representing the deities they despise?

You also forgot that as part of the First Treaty of Stros M'Kai Hammerfell was probably the most autonomous and independent part of the Empire alongside Black Marsh and Morrowind. Even Cephrous wife said they are only "part of the Empire, not subjects" The pocket guide implies the people have always been uncooperative with the Empire. Case in point, the Redguards might be willing to learn and interact with outsiders (even then that tends to be just the Forebears) but nothing in their history suggest they ever share their stuff with the exception of Gaiden Shinji who founded the Arena in Cyrodill and throughout history they have mostly been isolationist.

Besides that the only other source we have of Redguards having cannons are pirates and outlaws who are definitely out of the reach of both Hammerfell and the Empire.

The most chinese gunpoweder weapons were used after 1200 AD .... so nah.

There are a few basic weapons (mostly wodden) weapons that were used earlier ( 900 AD ) but nothing that was useful in a big battle.

I'm not saying they used it in massive quantities back then, I'm just saying they had them. Then again I believe the Arabs might have had some as well. Anyways real life examples have nothing to do with TES and shouldn't really be mentioned.