For the record, I'm not complaining in any way. I just don't think they should have taken so much of this content out of the game. But look at me being Captain Hindsight telling people what they should have done...

I was just curious as to whether this will in fact be added into TESV. I wanted to know whether what should have been in Oblivion will be in Skyrim. (and I think it will be)

Thanks, and I only posted because I read over my post and it seemed as if I were accusing Beth of being these liars.

EDIT 2-This is sort of off topic, but there were other features added that I doubt many people know about. One, for example, I found very interesting and can confirm it as I have done it multiple times. If you pick up a book by pressing L2 on the PS3 controller and dangle it in front of a certain NPC, they will take it from you and start reading it. So there were many little interesting features kept in the game.

You are right about how people had the right to be disappointed about not seeing some of the stuff that was promised them but that is about it. You don't know what the circumstances were back then and you also don't have all your facts straight either. Where does it say that they were "unsure" about the stuff they were going to put in, unless you are just speculating. They were, in fact, up front about the problems they were having and told that us that they might not be able to make some of the promises that thought they could. I think that it is very disrespectful to discredit a professional because they couldn't full fill a promise due to some circumstances that we are not aware of.

In other words, the AI would have been a menace. Image some old woman sees a barking dog and she casts fireball, but the dog stands next to a knight so that when she cast the spell it hits the knight. The knight then attacks the woman, but as we know from Oblivion NPCs are always getting in the way so the knight attacks the old woman but hits a town guard as well. In about ten minutes, the whole town is dead because the whole situation escalates into the whole town fighting.

How is radiant AI not noticable? It is what makes the difference between a stagnant world like in older games and a true living world. Radiant AI is one of the most important features in TES now and it should have priority over many other things in the game.

Because BGS has never oversold anything. Radiant AI in Oblivion had to be cut due to issues of mass genocide by guards in towns caused by one beggar stealing food because he was hungry. It was just lack of time, but the radiant AI in Oblivion was the best AI still from any game before it. Now the current Radiant AI system is everything that had to be taken out of Oblivion and even more.

Guards will now arrest NPCs if the NPC has committed a crime and cannot pay their crime gold. The NPC will be escorted to the nearest prison and incarcerated for a period of days depending upon the severity of their crime. If an NPC has the gold to pay for a crime, they will simply pay the fee and not go to jail.

In other words, the AI would have been a menace. Image some old woman sees a barking dog and she casts fireball, but the dog stands next to a knight so that when she cast the spell it hits the knight. The knight then attacks the woman, but as we know from Oblivion NPCs are always getting in the way so the knight attacks the old woman but hits a town guard as well. In about ten minutes, the whole town is dead because the whole situation escalates into the whole town fighting.

Excuse me....but isn't that more or less what actually happens with Oblivion? :hubbahubba:

Well for example Ultima 5 have NPC schedules in 1988, The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask in 2000,
Gothic have them in 2001, revolutionary for TES yes, for games no.

The only proof came in the way of the video and dev posts on the forum. Later those same devs (several who talked to us frequently and share often with us and none do now) informed us up front what problems they had encountered and told us they feared they would have to scale the AI back for the game to work properly. They then told us they did indeed have to scale the AI way back for a stable game. They were very disappointed about it but were up front and honest about the changes. The game was not released until after them telling us of the scaling back of the AI. Same with shadows, they were in and they had problems. They shared that with us as well both when they were implementing them in the game and when they found it was using much to much memory and needed to be scaled back.

Fans that had a need to find fault raged about the video being a "lie" but conveniently did not let out one peep about them being up front and honest when they encountered problems and had to scale it back. Interesting isn't it?

How do I know this? I was here. I read every word a developer would write and I read their posts both when it was part of the game and when it had to be removed. But some people act as if those posts later and before release stating the problems they encountered and why they had to remove some of what they had tried to provide us in the game were never made.

And the result of all this is that we no longer have much input from the devs during develop anymore and they tell us nothing until it's set in stone. Thus we don't get to share in the development process anymore. And quite frankly that really saddens me because it was fun to know what they were working on and what they were trying to do. We have fans who like to bash Bethesda by using partial truths and word twisting to thank for that. And as a fan, I'm not thankful for it. I miss the "sharing during development". I miss having a couple of years to watch development and hear about the game rather than the less than one year notice.

But I so understand after seeing how hostile some so called "fans" can be.

And there was enough of the AI left in Oblivion to see what trouble it might have caused. Stealing bread and a death sentence was a left over tale tell taste of it.