I must say that there are no indications of the opposite yet, but I still can't make myself playing Bretons for this very reason (even though I like very much how Bretons are designed). Can't distract from Britain. If a game contains clear connections (rip-offs) between in-game nationalities, cults, names, places, cultures, Gods and the real world ones, it just doesn't feel right. I want to be in a fantasy world.

I write it because making the game in Skyrim, may provoke clear rip-offs from the actual Nordic cultures, like Denmark, Sweden or Norway. Some games in the past were also using modified Finnish words, etc. I live in the region myself and wouldn't like seeing real life elements in game. Just in case. Thank you in advance!

The Nords are superficially Scandinavians, I see vikings when I look at them. But that doesn't stop me from playing them. I am a Scandinavian myself btw.

Technically the real world Breton equvilant are a Celtic people from France, they even share the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breton_people. They're same type as Welsh, Scottish, and Irish.

But this is only superficial as far as lore goes the Nords and Bretons are as far removed from their Celtic/Scandinavian inspirations as you can get.

Here I was thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breton are based on the French.

They probably are. I write about my feelings. I (!) still think about Britain. But the point is different...

Everything needs inspiration... if you look at pretty much any work of fiction, there are really very few original ideas. Just old ones combined in new ways.

??? How strange ??? It's far from anything discriminatory... What's your beef with Bretons/britain

About the only thing that relates to IRL Scandinavia, I guess, would be the names and the culture. But then again, a race of proud and fierce warriors living in the frozen north. It's kinda hard to escape the Norse/Viking thoughts, at least for me it is.

I've never been to Scandinavia (yet), so it'll still be "alien" to me, like Solstheim was. Yes, it was more "normal" than Vvardenfell, but still.

I don't think we're going to see anything as "out there" as Vvardenfell in Skryim, at least not any large portions. We probably won't see anything like that until we go to Summerset Isle or Black Marsh or Elsweyr or Valenwood. Okay, so we'll probably see it, but I don't think it'll happen in Skryim, sadly.

In Bruma there was a lady called "Skjorta", which mean "shirt" in Swedish (selling clothes of course). I expect there to be a lot more of that kind of references in Skyrim. Not that I care, really.

Akavari or how ever it's spell by far have the most irrelevant equivalence?! That still doesn't overly bother me? I don't believe Bretons are supposed to be the social political idealisation of European cultures I think they just like the name within the cleche that is fantasy/fokelore stuffs.

The Imperials relate pretty strongly to the Romans. Everyone need to take their inspiration from somewhere. I have no problem with it, as long as it's not extremely obvious. I think they've succeed and made it somewhat TES-unique, somewhat related to real-life stuff.

Skyrim is a low fantasy world btw, which means that it's even more "down-to-earth".

Nothing bad. It is so much off-topic, though.

Imperials are totally OK. Romans are stuff of lore and legends and can be considered as fictional as Argonians of Khajiit.

I don't follow you here. The Romans aren't fictional at all, unless there's something that I'm missing. Or you're implying something different to what I understood.

Romans are no more fictional than Vikings or Bretons...

The trees and grass also green like in real life, the sky is blue like in real life, there are humans everywhere like in real life, the day cycle is 24 hours like in real life...

I always thought of akavir as the equivalent of the orient

On average there's about one fresh idea every decade and 7,8556834847 rehashed ones every year.



Errrr......you do know there was this big thing called the Roman Empire? Couple of thousand years ago? Controlled almost all of Europe. Brought civilization to numerous countries.

Loads of ruins and artifacts all over the place. Unlike Myths and legends which have neither.

Very true. I hope that even if they will take inspiration from real Vikings, they will create enough lore, so it would look new and nice. Skjorta was a good neutral example, BUT it will just kill the game for me if I will feel even a distant similarity to something like Mummis or Hattifnats (ok, these were silly examples). I will never be able to take the game seriously. And I'd like to.

Seems to me someone needs to overcome some serious prejudices.

The last thing I see is a direct correlation with real world peoples in the Elder Scrolls universe. The Nords and the Imperials are the closest I can see and it is a vague connection.

Bretons are half elves from a mythic place in a game. Associating them with a real world people and projecting your real world intolerance on them seems very disturbing.

As for a gaming company to not use real world inspirations as a basis for their fiction, I don't see how they can't. We only have one source to base out fiction on, our myths and legends. Asking people not to use these inspirations based on their prejudices is wrong, especially in a world where these behaviors are frowned upon.

~peace

Yes, I am speaking about current cultures, or things that can have connection to current real life. Cultures living thousands years ago are as good for a race template as Argonians or Khajiit, unless one starts bringing real historical figures to the game.

Disturbing or not, Bretons and Nords ARE associated with real people unlike all the others. All previous posters mentioned that. And thus, I would like them to be as fictional as possible (to overcome my prejudices, if you wish).

Just about on topic: Years and years ago I read a book called Unreliable Memoirs by Clive James about his childhood in Australia. In one chapter he talked about the 'Dunnymen' who came to collect the toilet pans every week from the outhouses and latrines all down his street. He described, in gruesome detail, an unfortunate accident that befell one of them...

Somehow, i've never been able to bring myself to play a Dunmer as a result :whistling:

Seconded ! - But Skyrim is still TES ... and TES was and is always high fantasy, according to UESP Wiki (But we had this already, I think), ... but probably with a more low fantasy vibe.


Wat are those "silly examples" ?

If it is true, I feel for you. Now you see, how difficult it is... :whistling:

Ah, some funny creatures from Nordic Lore. Silly like in smurfettes.