Except i get to play the base game in advance

I'm indifferent, even though i always buy Beth's dlc, i will wait to see what it is first rarther than blindly buying.

I'm indifferent to it being offered. I'll not partake in any case, but instead follow my standard practice of waiting to purchase the next TES title on PC until its GOTY disk edition is out with all major expansion for a reasonable price ($20-25US).

I'm not going to buy the season pass, but I sure hope all content available in the season passes will at some point be separately purchasable. (is that a word, purchasable?).

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!

We do not need this Blind transaction crap from Bethesda. When Epic Games introduced Season passes, it was a good deal. They told the customer UP FRONT that they would be getting a certain amount of Map packs, that had a certain number of Maps, and if you purchased the Pass, you would be getting one of those map packs for free. Other publisher/developers have perverted this system by saying "Buy the Season Pass. You'll be getting some DLC. We aren't saying wat's in the DLC though, you'll just have to find out when it comes out. Oh, by the way, you're buying ALL the DLC, no freebies or Refunds."

In fact, here's the exact quote from the page, that says the exact same thing:

So there you have it. A blind Purchase. A gamble. $30 of Mothership Zeta? A very distinct possiblity.

If they said what it would be people would be spouting
OMG cut Content!!1!
Le Horse armor mk2
That not what soandso dev does.
Say no to Preorderssss

I'll just wait for it to appear on GMG with discount code and shrug on to the next game

And maybe sleep at work ya....mmm

No season pass for me. I will stick to purchasing the DLCs individually and or buy the Game Of The Year Edition. Buying things sight unseen just seems like a bad character trait to develop in myself.

Don't care. I typically don't buy DLC until it's cheap (and usually fairly old), so I wouldn't be affected by this being offered or not offered.

Um I purchased Dawnguard, Hearthfire, and Dragonborn. I consider Dawnguard and Dragonborn expansion packs.

According to the Xbox Marketplace, Playstation Store, Steam and Bethesda themselves, they are DLCs. The last expansion pack they released was Shivering Isles for Oblivion, and before that Tribunal and Bloodmoon for Morrowind.

Isn't it just a matter of what marketing chooses to call it? We usually expect large amounts of content from expansion packs, but this is only because they used to be put on disks and it wasn't feasible to release a small weapon pack this way. In today's market everything is downloadable, so we have a wide range of DLC types and sizes. All expansions are DLC by definition.

As for Skyrim, Todd Howard said that its DLC "will feel closer to an expansion pack" (compared to Fallout 3 DLC). So this is clearly something he was aiming for.

I have never bought a season pass for myself. Did for my son once for Call of Duty:Adavanced Warfare.

Thing is, it's Bethesda game studios. I know I will buy everything they put out. So all I can say is "When do you want my money?"

I don't buy them on principle because you just never know when one day a company doesn't put out the promised expansions or they just put something out but it's utter garbage and put something out because they can say the have made their commitments and don't need to do no further.

I trust Bethesda. I trust they will make an Awesome game. I trust the game will be buggy. I also trust I will loose myself in at least 500-1000 hours playing their game for $60, now $80. So yeah if I have the money, I will buy the Season Pass when I pick up Fallout 4. But it will be my only time doing so unless TES VI does the same thing.

A reason not to buy a Season Pass? Current Batman game. Forgot what it's called but man what a mess that is on release day.

Doesn't matter what the PlayStation (PS) store, Steam, and Xbox Marketplace call them. I will still call Dawnguard and Dragonborn expansion packs.

Expansion packs add new landmasses, realms, and lots and lots of content. I have a huge list of what I define a expansion pack.

Beth is one of the few companies from whom I'd buy a season pass. I'll definitely pick it up for the ps4, but probably wait until everything is on sale on the pc.

This.

Pre-order, paid early access, and paying for unreleased/unknown content sinks industry standards because the developers know they can make their product as low-quality as they like because so many people locked-in non-refundable pre-orders.

I can't figure out why people would pay for something they have no information about.

Eh, I personally don't see a problem with it. Many companies do the 'season pass' thing, but that is often simply along the lines of "the first 4 DLC's are included". When I first heard of the season pass model the way Bethesda is doing it now is the way I had thought it should be done. It's a risk that will lead to savings in the end, which seems reasonable if you are a huge fan of the series and know you will buy the DLC for full price anyway.

For me personally? I'm not interested. I'll probably wait for the GOTY edition with DLC included. The problem for me is a game will be released and go on sale, but the DLC will never go on a good discount unless it is part of a complete package with the base game included. So I don't have a ton of motivation to buy it beforehand if I am going to have to buy it again.

I just feel that putting a preemptive price-tag on undeveloped content can restrict the total quality or quantity of new content. They have less incentive to create more, or longer/bigger DLC now with a set budget in mind as opposed to before where they could justify extra development time by just charging a bit more for DLC that went over a pre-planned, internal budget. Of course, there will be people who buy the DLCs separate, but it's still hard to believe this won't affect the quality of future DLC.

There is no developer in the world that's going to go "[censored] it, let's make a bad product because some people already paid for it." That goes for both preorder and season passes. By all means don't do either before you've confirmed that you'll like the content, that's a reasonable move. But don't think that everyone who makes a different choice is helping to make the product worse, because that's not how budget or production works.

That's because it was a small addition, Dawnguard and Dragonborn were a full on expansions. You can't even begin to compare them on the same level.

I personally don't mind. I always got these things via the late goty edition anyway, since I'm not into the whole DLC thing. Don't hate it, just not into it.
Since I'm a trophy hunter, I'm only really annoyed when they include trophies that require DLCs or ps+ as mandatory for the platinum, that's a dike move imho. Already have 3 games on my list that I know I'll never platinum.

Yeah there is. http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-early-access-games-that-completely-screwed-customers/

Yeah, but those are one-shot developers, the established ones pace duds out over several years and releases so people don't catch on to them

Tribunal didn't add any new landmass so I guess it's not an expansion pack then?

I don't think so. The way to sell season passes is by creating a well know popular brand. If [insert new or unpopular] franchise did a season pass no one would buy it. But lets say bethesda, who has a proven record of good dlc imo, puts one out people are are likely to buy it because of bethesda's reputation. Also most developers are in for the long run, once you get a negative reputation its hard to wiggle back into people's good graces.

As far as pre-orders go i don't get them myself, i buy my games online so i've never had a problem where walmart or gamestop didn't have enough copies for sale and i went home sad

I said I have a huge list of what I define as a expansion pack, not just adding landmass and all that. I would list my list, but it's just too huge to list.

I'm only against it because I think any encouragement of a product being bought before it is finished is more risky in the long run/bigger picture than beneficial. It's beneficial to the company, certainly, but I don't believe it's ultimately beneficial for the consumer, due to what I believe are commonly understood reasons.