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Not at all, complain about the bugs all you want, that's a totally valid complaint. Complaining that they haven't sat and held your hands while you're complaining is not.

Voidus remember not to go into the sunlight otherwise you'll turn into stone

The thing is even if they do come up with a patch it still might not fix my problems. It would just be nice to know that they are working on a patch and to say which things they are working on. I don't see why they can't do that.

Nope, just get terrible terrible migraines.

Because then it'd take longer to release the patch? Telling us won't make it come out any faster, and if you want complete and accurate information it'll need to come from the people making the patch which means it will come out slower. I'd rather they just focused on actually fixing the bugs for now.

Oh, to give an example it should be the exactly the same company and exactly the same situation?!?! I thought my example was simple enough to make you understand but im wrong i guess. Do you see that we all talk same language here except you?

This Voidus guy is a good example to teach our kids for "what a human being should not be". I bet, if someone from Bethesda calls him and swears, insults he will say oh thank you, i love your game, please take all my money... For my side i prefer raising the fist, and cant stand loser attitude of some people.

Not exactly the same but equating a game that is almost exactly as described but has a few bugs to an oil spill which kills animals, pollutes waters and requires millions of dollars in cleanup efforts is not exactly a great anology. I understand the example fine, it's simply fallacious of you to compare the two and not nearly a close enough situation to warrant comparison.

No, I'm pissed that the game has bugs, as I already said I have them in my game and it's completely stalled the main quest for me, I just would rather people responded in a sane, logical way and just reported the bugs rather than [censored]ing about it and complaining that Bethesda haven't held their hands and whispered sweet nothings into their ears. If you'd prefer to be comforted rather than actually get a fix to the solution then good for you, I'll just be with the rest of the sane people hoping that Bethesda does the sane thing and ignores all of you to continue focusing on the game.
I hope my children never end up like you though, someone who says things like 'I prefer raising the fist' is exactly the kind of person we don't need in the world.

Hope you have fun yelling into the air, I'll just be waiting for the patch.

Yes, world needs people like you, people who sits and do nothing and wait for things to be better. Never stand for anything, never raise your voice, just obey, be a perfect slave. So if you ever see injustice, please just keep silence and lock yourself at home, this is the way how things get better.... You may even have someone from big companies petting your head telling good boy and rewarding you...

Haha, ah, you do make me laugh so I guess you do one useful thing.

"You may even have someone from big companies petting your head telling good boy and rewarding you..."
The irony of this is probably lost on you but it did give me a good chuckle.
Seriously though man, you might want to tone your whole... everything down a bit. Comparing a buggy game to an oil spill and comparing someone not whinging to slavery, you might get a reputation for being a wee bit of a drama queen. Just some friendly advice man. Hope complaining about me is just as fun and productive for you as complaining that the devs aren't comforting you enough.

You say that if someone outside of their dev team responds it won't be accurate, I don't see how that's fair, since a company like this must report their progress to managers above them, who unlikely write any code fixes, they could also copy in another team like a pr consultant who could forward some of the information to the general public, aka us, which would help ease the [censored]storm they have gotten themselves into, all this rubbish about if they talk to us on forums makes patches slower is rubbish, you can't tell me the only Bethesda ppl on the forums are game devs they must have other people, and like it was mentioned with thanksgiving that will delay any fixes even longer which causes even more problems as people wait longer and longer with a piece of junk sitting on their harddrives

Kind of, but not always with bugs, since some are tiny and solved pretty quickly and others are annoying to fix and you have no idea what the problem is. But those managers also have their own jobs to do so again, it'd be pulling resources away. Who do you want to talk to? Someone who has no idea what the bugs are, what's getting fixed and when it'll be fixed? Because if you want to talk to anyone who knows any of that stuff then yeah it's going to make it take longer, which is not even getting into all the problems that devs can have if they make a formal announcement about a bugfix since they then have a deadline to meet and it's nigh-impossible to predict how long it will take to fix a bug. So I'd rather the devs just took their time and didn't waste their time and energy pandering to people who would rather be made to feel appreciated more than actually get [censored] done.
And it's hardly a piece of junk, almost all of the game is playable perfectly fine, there are a host of workarounds for the people who do have significant problems, most people who bought the game can play it, a very select few are having more serious issues but that'll always be the case.

Oh Voidus you do make me chuckle . Now sorry in advance for the bump on the head ''Wingardium Leviosa''.

Actually you are right, i should tone down, after all everyone has the right to be a "loser"

Oh, btw let me tell you what i achieved after "yelling in the air" as you put it. The company i bought the steam code of the game said they can't refund but they can give me same amount of game(s). So i took codes of 2 games(actually exceeded the amount i paid for f4) which were on my wishlist, besides, i still have the f4 cuz they said they cant take it back cuz the code is used. So right now i dont care if they patch the d.mn game or not but when they patch it i will still have 3 games. Is your iq level enough to understand the difference between my way and and loser's way (do nothing, dont complain, be a good bethesda fan boy) and outcomes of both?

Right now i can say that my problem is over.

Likewise my friend.

Yes you do, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
My IQ is 168, I have all the games I want already, am actually enjoying the game I payed for, am not venting uselessly and I didn't look like an idiot so yeah I'd say I understand the difference between us perfectly well.
Especially since you didn't even in the slightest understand my point, as evidenced by this post. So as you said man, you keep exercising that right you have, whatever makes you happy.

Bethesda does not communicate. It's their thing. One day soon your Steam will download a patch, that's the first sign that there is a patch

The second sign will be all the new and unexpected things in the game that are suddenly broken.

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Great, so if we're on PS4 we are totally f*ed as we don't have access to console commands. I said this in another post, but this game has more game breaking bugs than any game I've ever played on a console. I always made excuses for Bethesda as I'd always gone PC (it's hard with millions of different hardware combinations) but I went PS4 this time for a more laid back and comfy gaming experience. the game is just fine for your first 25 hours, then it starts to snowball into bug ridden cesspool. Wouldn't care as much if I wasn't into the game and wanted to continue my experience. Knowing Bethesda it will take them 2 years to fix just half the bugs. I'm just really upset I've lost a ton of real world hours having to revert saves. This is inexcusable.

Hahahah, 168, the way you answer questions, the fact that "being only one to think like that" under the topic , hopelessly trying to be cynical instead of seing what i achieved by my way( or yelling in the air) and being uncapable of answering it. All these and others shows that you are really 168. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Not the most buggy I've played but yeah it seems pretty horrible, wish they'd done more testing before release, I think they rushed through it a bit.

Your right that for some people it's not useless junk, but for others like myself who can't actually play the game at all it is pretty much useless, as I said before sure it makes sense that the devs themselves can't answer, their job is to fix this junk asap which we all want, however I know in a business like this there are meetings going on here and there, managers being updated on progress, so having a third entity there, ie someone who isn't vital to the repairs or fixes could make an announcement or that person even get cc'd into the emails that are most likely being circulated. Yeah I'm whining and moaning. I've paid for a product that has yet to meet standards of any kind without a response, the fact is more and more people are moaning and we still don't have any form of response from them, is it too much to expect that when somethings broken so badly you post in their forums, on their emails AND their support site and still have no inkling of a response and be quite frankly bloody frustrated

Logically? I answer them logically? So yeah I guess so. And no I'm not the only one, just the most frequent. First I'm slavishly optimistic now I'm cynical? You achieved a refund, that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, is irrelevant and is something that literally anyone can get. I didn't get a refund because I didn't want one, because I know the game will eventually get patched and I'm enjoying playing it. But sure good for you.
(Just to clarify for you since you clearly still don't get it, the 'yelling at the air' was about asking for a patch update, not bug reports or refund requests, I've said that multiple times explicitly but clearly you need a bit of help)

But sure, whatever helps you and your insecurities sleep at night.
EDIT: The 'uncapable' here also makes me think you're either majorly trolling here or are just once again being unintentionally ironic.

Sorry man, hope it works out for you.
As I've said before, complaining about the bugs is totally reasonable, you should be bloody frustrated about them, I am, it's just not practical to ask for a response at this point. Bethesda notoriously doesn't make these announcements, and I pretty much understand why, it's not actually helping anyone. If you really feel like it's necessary that's just a difference of opinion I suppose, not much to argue about.
Anyway hope your problem gets patched soon and you can enjoy the game. Good luck.

I hope it gets patched soon myself, I bought the game because I want to play it, my problem with not getting a response though, isn't from where I sit, which is just a difference of opinion between fellow gamers, is that if a company has support for games, directs customers who have problems to forums/support sites/feedback sites, I would expect to get a response, that's what I think someone, regardless who from bethesda should be able to do. Yeah I get that they are probably overwhelmed with the amount they have, and its quite possible someone is trying to work through them, its just frustrating that no one seems to be getting anywhere at all, some of the problems have got worse from what I've seen, alot of this is purely just to vent, I've given up expecting, not wanting though , a reply, I would be more than happy for them to just fix the dam game

I just realized Thanksgiving is next week.

So, probably no patch. That really svcks.

yeah, fixing bugs takes time, but I doubt that community management is fixing those bugs. There is a technical side and I get it that it can take a while, but they should communicate more clearly on the forums. There is this game-breaking CTD bug (probably the same you have) and the mods/community management barely acknowledged anything there.