Hey guys, I'll start this off with a reply I made on another thread. The thread was about how to solve some the VERY familiar game crashes that seem to be a Bethesda staple. My rant was not to shame the people for wanting to solve the crashing problems but why we should have to find a soultion when that responsibility lies completely on the shoulders of the company. Bethesda has proven they care nothing for the quality of their games or the concerns of the consumer. I own Oblivion GOTY edition and Fallout3 GOTY edition so I speak from experiance. Well, here's the rant. Take it for what it's worth.

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Here's an idea..... Why don't we just stop buying there games and laugh as their company goes down the toilet. Why should we have to spend hours trying to solve their un-solveble and never ending glitches while they wallow in our hard earned money? My 1st hour.... 1.... HOUR!!!!!! the game crashed and I had to manualy shut my whole friggin system down. We should learn that Bethesda DOESN'T CARE! They proved that with Fo3. I searched forever looking for an offical statement from them explaining why their crappy games crashed constantly, but nothing. THEY... DON'T.... CARE!! Don't get me wrong, I loved Fallout 3. It was the perfect game for me, but if you spend more time re-booting and starting back from prior save points, then it's just not worth wasting any time on. I have the Game of the Year Edition and I can not finish it. The PITT is so glitchy that it is not playable so I haven't touched it since. Thats my two cents. Agree or disagree, it doesn't matter to me, but I'm done with them unless they can prove that they give a [censored] and that the consumer is who keeps them rolling in it.

P.S.
This was not targeted at any of you guys. I'm just venting about the company.

I got the Fallout New Vegas Collector's Edition and it 80$ + Fallout New Vegas Collector's Edition Official Strategy Guide 35$! 80$ + 35$ = 115$ So didn't spend 115$ for a game i can't play! That my Hard Earned Cash!

Obsidian and Bethesda "WE" I Said "WE" "We are not your beta testers! We are the Customers and this should have "BEEN FIXED BEFOR RELEASE" Not after! We know your working hard or not on this Patch that shouldn't be "NEEDED"! Im not try to start any thing but this is unbelievable! Were are your beta testers? I don't know how most of the big bugs were missed! AS I SAY Again We are not your beta testers! We are the Customers! And you need to git this patch OUT A.S.A.P."

Thank you! :fallout: :banghead:

I'm in the same boat as Bill here. I spent over 100 dollars on something that I can seldom enjoy as intended. There should be some sort of recompense for the hassle that we customers are having. Not a "Ooops. Sorry. We're working to fix it", which doesn't even seem to be the case for North American PS3 users since UK PS3 owners have gotten a patch (albeit one that doesn't seem to work) and the PC and Xbox users have also had patching......

I completely agree! After finding out that FNV has the SAME issues as FO3 it's easy to see that bethesda doesn't care! The only thing they care about is extorting our hard earned $$ on a known broken game engine and backroom deals with their DLC for more $$.

Bethesda sure didn't care about the vampirism bug in Oblivion GOTY. They fixed the bug in the regular versions, but decided not to fix that one simple bug. Hopefully Obsidian will fix their game instead of leaving major bugs that ruin the main quest. I really hated that vampirism bug though, being stuck a vampire made me rage , so I stopped playing Oblivion.

I am in a similar boat with you guys - I actually (in F3) disabled the auto-save feature, as it kept messing up my game with corrupted files, and I would have to go back to a previous non-auto save. So, I only auto on 'sleep'. I did it with NV, but, as you guys said already, the game's got some bug's that require a hard restart, not just a 'quit game' and start again.

What I did notice, is that when the game crashes on fast-travel, or entering a new area, and you have auto-save enabled for those options, you can actually continue; the save feature worked, and THEN the game crashed. So, at least we don't have to go back far enough.

As for the F3 bugs, that were fixed in GoY edition, and even on the first update, New Vegas has the item-duplication bug, as well as the shopping for the cheapest item (as long as there are two or more showing by the merchant) and getting one of the other (more expensive) items.

Also, purchasing large amounts of items, in a single transaction, will often crash the system.

Beta testers, we are. However, we should be - at the very least - compensated.

Implying Obsidian owns the engine being used in the game.

They don't.

Any crashes I've had are from numerous hours of playing (overheat).

The Havok engine is responsible for the freezing, and nor Obsidian or Bethesda (who only published New Vegas, they didn't help make it) owns the Havok engine.

Meaning they can't do anything about it.

They only have the power to fix actual bugs, like scripts, etc.

They had 2 years or so to fix the game bugs this is crap i cant explore to deep or the "cache" gets full i mean wtf is the point if its going to freeze lame.

Everyone keeps saying they had two years to fix the bugs.

They were making the [censored] game during that time.

Ninety-nine percent of the bugs most likely appeared AFTER development was done.

Shut up.

i can not believe that some people are defending bethesda ..there is no excuse for releasing a game in the state such as it is.no excuse whatsoever.If a company wants to release a game that is knowingly buggy then the consumer should first be told then he\she can make an informed decision to buy or not.Companies should be legally obliged to do this.....also to anyone having slow down issues when npc's are on screen search these threads because there are temporary good fixes.I can confirm that i have had to use 2 fixes and they work.The one which fixed the slowdown for me involves putting a file which can be found on here somwhere in one or more of the thread into the fallout new vegas registry.just look around on here there are fixes ,good luck.and shame on bethesda\obsidion

Just FYI. My game crashed two more times since I started this topic. I haven't even been able to complete quest with deputy Begle AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FREAKING GAME!!!!!!!!!!!! I have given up and quit for the night veeerrryyyyy frustrated. RAGE QUIT!

And yet, somehow, life goes on

Must be like grandma's boy over there...put the smoke down and finish your levels...I am waiting till the GOTY edition comes out and buying it months after that used,if I buy it at all.

Im bout to steal yo copy!

I completely agree with you on the re-comp....Bethesda and Obsidian come on and pay your Beta testers

Bethesda didn't make this game, Obsidian did.

And I'm not having anywhere near the degree of problems a few of you mention. Perhaps you should try "Restore File System" to defrag to defrag the harddrive, if your on the 360 I'm sure there's a similar method.

im pretty sure they released it in this state because call of duty is coming out and they "HAD TO" otherwise they would have been screwed in sales... pisses me off though and even though the game is fun, i dont know if i will ever buy a bethesda product again (or obsidion)

Aside from a difference in hour amount, your post sums up my experience, so far, perfectly. I thought all PS3s ran on the same hardware and software. What's going on with nearly the rest of these people's machines? :huh:

I wonder what the actual ratio of "unplayable for me" vs "no major problems here" is. Usually, people with complaints tend to be more enthusiastic in sharing their experience.

I got my UK copy yesterday, the patch was already out when I installed the game so I started with a patched installation. I only played like 6 or 8 hours yet, and it didn't freeze for me up to now. Neither did I have VATS problems.

I'm not that far into the game, and I still fear that the crashing/freezing issues people are reporting will come up later for me. On the other hand, I didn't have a single crash (some freezing now and then though) with FO3:GOTY, so I might be lucky.

Regards,

Larde.

Ok people. I don't care if Bethesda made it, Obsidion made it or satan himself. They slapped their big fat name on the cover and are reaping the $$$ from it. If you sell snake oil to people knowing it's snake oil you are no better than the guy bottling it. Here are some of the problems.

(1) This is not their first game. They should know better.
(2) These are the same Friggin problems and complaints as the last umpteen games befor this one.
(3) They have a track record of not fixing the MAJOR problems that make these games unplayable.

Again, I have Oblivion GOTY and Fallout3 GOTY and it's the SAME THING!!!! How many times does someone have to fall off the same horse to say "F riding horses, I'm taking the bus"?
And to all the people posting about how wonderful these magical companies are, thats great. I'm really glad your super awesome PS3 system works flawlessly and you have never had a glitch. But this is for the consumers who actually have major issues. Of course you have nothing bad to say, if your system works great. I'm not debating the fact that it's a great game (when it works) or I wouldn't have ordered the super, mega, awesome special per-order. The issue is in 6 hrs multiple people have posted on this thread and other threads on the Fallout Forums with almost exactly the same problems less than a week from it's release. I'v kept Oblivion and Fo3 because they are fun games, but I can't deal with another bug filled, frozen waste of time. There are stores full of great, polished PS3 games that I will spend my time and money on but. Bethesda/Obsidian/Havok and whoever else wants (needs) to take responsibility for this mess needs to hit the drawing board. O yeah, and to all you dudes and ladies that have these flawless copies/PS3's, why are you wasting you time surfing "FoNV performance problem fourms" and NOT PLAYING THE GAME?!?!?!?!?!?!

Where can I find this patch? I haven't downloaded it, yet, and starting the game up doesn't initiate a message/download.

I find it interesting that the only people here claiming to have had ZERO issues throughout multiple hours of gameplay have accounts with thousands of posts attributed to them. Call me crazy, but this seems like a weak attempt at damage control by Bethesda. You can dispute that fact all you want boys.

I have the PS3 version of FNV and I can tell you that I've never come across a buggier game from such a large developer and publisher. It absolutely infuriates me that I was svckered into buying a game that isn't completed. If I knew I was shelling out $60 to be a beta tester, I would have skipped this game without a second thought. I would just like to let Obsidian and Bethesda know that because of this mess, I will never] buy another game from you guys on it's release date. In fact, I will wait until there have been multiple software updates, and by that time I'll probably buy it used because it'll be significantly cheaper and you guys won't see any revenue from me.

Shall we discuss the bugs? From about 20 hours invested in this game, this is what I've come up with:
- Constant drops in framerate and second-long hangups
- Flashing textures
- Visual artifacts appearing out of nowhere and disappearing
- Widespread clipping issues with entities throughout the entire game (I love how when I touch things, everything around it slowly floats up a few inches)
- NPC's spawning halfway or sometimes completely in the ground
- Unresponsive NPC's (Not being able to talk to them when I should be able to, enemies wandering blindly with no reaction to me being near or shooting at them)
- Multiple system crashes
- Unfinishable quests due to broken NPC interaction (Being permanently locked in the cell with Silus was my favorite...I got to return to a save game from 2 hours prior)
- Unresponsive controls (I can't count how many times I've tried to shoot or open up VATS and nothing happens until I mash the buttons for several seconds)

All in all, as much as I want to praise FNV, it is in fact an epic fail. I can see what Obsidian was trying to do with the game - there's a ton of depth, and they had a great vision of what the game was supposed to be - but the unrelenting and painfully prevalent bugs in their software are simply unforgivable. Like I said earlier, if I knew I was shelling out $60 to beta test a game I would have passed. I'm thoroughly disappointed in my experience with FNV and if the majority of the comments from the gaming community hold any merit, everyone else is too.

Please update this game ASAP.

I meant the patch that's out in Europe, although many people claim it made things worse for them.



Well, I am a counter example then. But I probably don't fall in the "multiple hours of gameplay" category. Will work on that now though...

Regards,

Larde.

This is in response to another persons post on another thread. He/she made the point that its not Bethesda's fault and that they were "tricked" by Obsidion to release this game. I am preempting anyone with the same views that may post on this tread with my response that I left on his/her thread. *****************************************************************************************************************************************************
Listen up people. The issue here is that this is not the fist time this has happened. This is a Mirror image of the EPIC failure of the Fallout3 GOTY crashes only it's a bigger mirror with an uglier person staring back. This is just the core game. No DLC, no expantions. My experiance is first 2.5 hr of game play = 4 crashes that required a hard restart and I wasn't even able to complete the very first main quest! So my experiance is an unplayable, super expensive coster with a comic book and some cards. I'm not the only one. These fourms are packed and I mean packed just in the first few days after release with people saying they can't play the da*n thing. That is unexceptable at any level of development. You don't have to be a mechanic to know that when someone drives a flaming engine on three wheels not to sell it as a new car. I'm not down playing Obsidions accountability but Bethesda DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF IGNORANCE! If you can't vouch for your product then you have NO business selling it for profit... PERIOD! It happened with Oblivion, it happened with Fallout3, it's happened with FoNV and if we are not heard it will happen with the next game. Quit being fooled, stop lining their pockets with your money for something thats not even worth your time. Be heard!

Please come vote at my poll and post at "Bethesda Doesn't Care" thread.

Unfortunately, I cannot continue to "fight the good fight".. so to speak. I just had to return my game today. The folks at my local game store were nice enough to give me a full refund. But when you encounter no less than 50 freezes, possibly hundreds of glitches, and countless (exaggeration) comments of people with similar and dissimilar issues in less than 1 week after a release of what was supposed to be a much anticipated game, one cannot help but simply give up.

Don't get me wrong, the game was extremely enjoyable. I had massive amounts of fun running up both my fame and infamy. The explosions were supreme, and there were some extremely fun guns (grenade machine gun!).. and the humor infused drama mixed with action was quite excellently written. ...all of this said, I must add: ..when my game actually worked.

I must now wait for either a re-release, hopefully with all patches released, and most if not all bugs fixed. Who knows when that will be? This is not a "I hate Bethesda/Obsidian/Fallout now!! I'll never buy a game from them evar!!111!! LOL " This is simply a, "Maybe next time, I'll rent it first to make sure I don't get a game that disappoints so massively on a consistent level of technical difficulties."

And for monitors of the board, the straw that broke the camel's proverbial back, was indeed another glitch that seemingly broke my system. I simply could not take another suggestion to "clear your system's cache" or "revert to an earlier save." These are horrible suggestions for a game that should simply work in the first place. The glitch was as follows if anyone else runs into this glitch, I would make sure to take note and save beforehand accordingly, lest be told by support the previous fixes for all freezes.. I was talking to some of the Boomer children, safely in Nellis, when the screen sprouted little green and yellow boxes, the game started making machine gun noises, and then the whole thing froze. The controller began vibrating as if I were being attacked. I hit the center button to restart the system, or get to the dashboard, but to no avail. Then I turned the system off with the power button, trusty as that usually is. And when that didn't work, I had to hold down the power button, which did turn the system off, eventually. But alas, the speakers on my TV still made machine gun noises! (the special machine gun you can buy from the brotherhood of steel), so I had to turn my TV off, too!

I don't really have any words of advice, as I am no video game programmer. I have no experience with putting something of this scale together, and I don't know what kind of testing goes into a game like this. Maybe you tested this game as thoroughly as one could. Maybe. But with as many people that are complaining about this game, and almost all with the exact same glitches and freezes.. someone definitely dropped the ball on this one.

Looking forward, strangely, to the next Fallout.. or I'd even take a workable version of New Vegas.
Cheers,
me