I like the toby reference.

But seriously, the bad for PC gamers is that consoles are a vast majority of their sales, so they will probably get the most attention.

What do you mean with cater to the PC players more? What could they do?

You really think this game would be different if it was made solely for PC? So you suggest they dont innovate and never make anything different, is that it?

Yes the game would be much different.

Bwaaahahahahaaaaa! What a bunch of self absorbed drivel, "Oh I played Daggerfall, I am teh most important of your customers!" Gimme a break, If anything you should be thankful you are even getting a PC release for Skyrim, PC games are such a small group of Bethesdas customers why should you get "special" treatment?

Isn't it time this thread was locked?

cater directly to me bethesda! Platforms are old news, I am the future!

Are you suggesting making multiple games over half a decade that all run on and can not go beyond the same hardware specs and not taking advantage of improvements in technology is the definition of innovation and making things different? :confused:

Which ones? Console users are gamers too.


The problem isn't the consoles, it's that these good companies get lazy. Blame the almighty dollar, not the gaming system.


Yes, now if only Crytek got paid per GPU sold, maybe they'd do it again.


Indeed it is. According to Wikipedia Crysis sold 86,633 North American copies in North America in Week 1. For Crysis 2, the Xbox 360 version alone moved 237,989 in its first week. Now, Crysis was a new series when it came out, and Crysis 2 had hype behind it. Still, Crysis sold about 1 million units worldwide (I think it's worldwide, doesn't say otherwise) after two months. One month in and the Xbox version of Crysis 2 has already sold 733,000 units alone. PS3 sold about 500,000, PC sold about 200,000. So yes, they sacrificed some PC fans but gained far more console fans. And you have to ask this: Is the "original supporter" who is most important, or the one who will support in the future?

Before you cite the large drop in PC sales to shoddy portage (that's definitely a large part of it), you also have to consider that many PC users might have bought it for the console instead just because it was an option. If a game is platform-exclusive there's no choice but to buy it for that system and that'll skew sales results. Knowing that PC was not superior to the console version (but not inferior) some PC users may have decided to give up the endless dragon-chasing of PC upgrades in exchange for the console version.


Morrowind was Bethesda's first really commercially successful title. That's where they got a lot of their "original" fans. Guess what? It was released on the Xbox. If they relied on Daggerfall and Arena fans for their income, their development team would be a fraction of the size it is today. And you wouldn't even get Skyrim.


They are. We're getting the Creation Kit.


They are. The majority of them, in fact. And 1000 gold says the majority of the people that have been with them since the beginning are playing on console now.


It's hardly a mistake.


Apparently not enough. Oblivion was a mistake, caused by the fact that it was a launch title and not necessarily because of consoles themselves. They won't make that mistake again. They can't actually, because they've been able to develop Skyrim for the Xbox 360 from the very beginning.

Wasn't oblivion also made in a similar way?

Besides, it's too late to change it by now anyways, lol.

Yes Bethesda, please concentrate only on a small niche of a community the "real fans"!

Who cares about the rest of them, they're worthless peasants, they can't acknowledge what a true free-world RPG should be. They would just ruin it with their unclean consoles and they wouldn't understand the game either, all those Gears of War made them unintelligent, lowering to their standards would be awful.

I agree with the OP, most of the games that are made for PC are better on both PC and consoles. The Witcher 2 is a PC game that might be ported to consoles later.

Many a technique is learned over the span of a consoles lifecycle. Difference between Oblivion and Skyrim will show this.

Bethesda should make a separate forums for console fans to hang out and rage amongst themselves.

I'm not saying we don't/cant handle being disagreed with, but it svcks seeing your favorite IP get run into the ground by your favorite developer because of consolization (not just talking about elderscrolls/bethesda) and supporting OLD ASS HARDWARE. 5+ year old hard ware to be exact. That is just atrocious in terms of technology, how much stuff changes in 5 years is amazing if you do a little research.

Consoles and godamn apple is holding back technology. /rant

If this thread told me anything, it did. :disguise:

That sounds like Communism to me. Burn the Reds!

Amen.

Platform Apartheid? I see.
All in all, platform wars are nicer.

I'd have to go through quite a bit of mental gymnastics to agree with that, but more power to you I suppose. :shrug:

you my friend, are a smart man.

Witcher 2 right now is looking to be the true rpg game of the year, when all along I assumed it would by Skyrim. Such a shame, but looking forward to the witcher 2. Its awesome when Devs develop pc only and everyone comes out of their pirate ships to actually buy it

OK, enough. There has been enough console bashing in this tread, not to mention wild sales claims and all the PR and sales experts explaining how things should be done.