First allow me to say, despite the stigma and infamous reputation Bethesda has earned for it's games over the years, I am a huge fan of the Elder Scrolls and Fallout series -- that being said, I am saddened to say that I am no longer a fan of Bethesda itself.

How many of you would feel comfortable driving a car manufactured with the same standard of care that is held for the mechanics and operation of Bethesda's games? I'd be horrified; every passing second would be filled with anxiety and fear for my life and my safety.

Is the game complex beyond common understanding? Yes. Are there innumerable positives to the game? Yes, and the standards for story telling, visual and auditory detail, and over experience are obviously evident; a lot of hard work, blood, sweat, and tears went into this game, but it does not invalidate or illegitimize this very simple fact:

As a professional, you do not release a product until it works properly.

Bethesda, your disrespect and disloyalty to your fans and customers is astounding; we spend our hard earned money, and waste our limited time, on products that are defective in every sense of the word, only to be met with a PR statement on twitter, dripping with condescension. The fact is, you're more annoyed at the fans legitimate reactions, when you should be more disappointed in your own selves, and your company and employees.

When I buy a car, a movie, a meal, a computer, a book -- the car isn't half finished off the assembly line. The movie doesn't stop in the middle, because they haven't finished filming. Portions of the meal aren't raw and uncooked. The author doesn't leave it a note on page 42 asking the reader to "calm down," because he hasn't finished writing the story.

We pay for games that are finished and ready for us to play; we are not interested in paying for a demo disc to hold onto while you finish your job, waiting for the game to become fully playable weeks or months later.

You should be ashamed. Get it together, Bethesda.

I would have to say putting together a game is much harder than a car. And judging by the millions of sales the game sure seems finished to me. is it perfect? no, it has bugs. just like how cars will have recalls

I wouldn't say it's harder necessarily; they're both very intricate, and complex products to design, test, and manufacture. I agree that some bugs are inevitable -- within reason -- but what I'm referring to aren't mere inconsequential blips that pop up every once in awhile; I'm talking about games that are so broken that you can only enjoy them partially. Major things you'd really like to enjoy that are ruined by poor product testing and control.

Edit: and these major things should be dealt with before the product's release; it's what separates a final product, from a "work in progress."

I play other studio's games as well, so I have no choice but to disagree with you. If you want to look at the industry as a whole, then lets chat.

Does anyone know the size of Uncharted 3, I think its like 42+ gigs or something. Now that's backwards progression.

Bethesda's ability to make this game under 6gigs is worth GOTY on its own merit.

I could say the same of a car manufactured by ANY game developer, assuming manufacturing a car had the same logical and technical limitations that computer software has.

2high4halo, your disrespect and disloyalty to Bethesda and its staff are astounding; you spend $60 on a game, get hours upon hours of fun out of it, only to come here and troll with the typical entitled whining that we have had to put up with for days. The fact is, you're annoyed at a game company when you should be disappointed in your own limited imagination and intolerance. Go play some game that meets your supposed high standards and quit pontificating here.

Your "comparison" would be more believable if you listed your complains with the game. As it is you is just bashing Bethesda without saying your motives. Not complaining about your "complain". Just helping you to get more accurate answers to your topic because as it is I could use your "comparison" with almost all the others game companies.

I don't think that a game being well-made has nearly as much bearing on your well-being as a car being well-made.
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Can the mods lock this thread up? having someone claim to be a HUGE FAN only to register a forum account TODAY is total crap

I actually gave the game a lot of props -- no trolling here, just fact.

The only trolling here seems to be your rage, perhaps out of frustration with yourself, or your life circumstances. I hope today gets better for you.

Pretty much nobody but Valve and Blizzard can afford to polish a game indefinitely, and unlike cars, problems with games are much easier to fix.

I'd say a Bethesda car would look roughly like this:

Great chassis, very solid and little to no flaws.
The car itself works just fine, great acceleration and all that.
Almost no exterior, when you're looking at the car you only see the chassis.
Great paint job however, outstanding.
Lack of features which make driving a car more pleasant, no drink holders.

Remember a time when games didn't release with annoying bugs? I sure don't and I've been playing since the early 90s.

A game this massive is going to have bugs. There is an unofficial type patch for ever elderscrolls games you can run on your computer right now. So any respect you had for the company when it came to releasing finished products was undue. The day they promise a perfectly working game is the day you should feel bad about your purchase. You should feel bad now for expecting a game without glaring bugs.

the OP actually made me think of a 1976 Fiat Spyder.

sixy and fun to drive, when it's running....

but i still disagree.

Wow, really? Yep. Anyone who is a true fan of anything, MUST post on forums regularly. Give yourself a pat on the back -- if you can reach -- for being incredibly ignorant and judgemental. This is my first post, because usually I stay away from forums so I won't be exposed to people of your mindset. I posted this because I felt compelled to, and was upset with Bethesda's reaction.

Pompous and sanctimonious, eh? Good going, keep it up.

Some elements could have used more polish, but to say they should be ashamed of what may be the greatest game ever released is just mind boggling.

Keep in mind that I agree that the UI is clunky, the bugs are present and annoying, and there are serious balance issues.. but it's still the best game out. The more ambitious a project, the more a project tries to do, the more fraying there will be. I'd rather have a rough, ambitious masterpiece like Skyrim than a polished but lazy game like.. well, every game EA has released in the past two years.

Precisely what I was going to say.

Hey I agree. Bethesda relies on modders to make up for their own shortcomings and proudly claim they support the modding community. If they DIDN'T support the modding community, only casuals would be playing their games.

And just because a lot of people bought the game doesn't make it good.

Are you saying these companies can release a game on this scale without problems? Perhaps if it took them 8 years to do it.

Cars have very standard procedures and regulations that make creating one easy compared to the type of sandbox rpg that Bethesda goes for. There are too many variations and possibilities in how one approaches the gameplay in a game like Skyrim to be able to iron out ALL the bugs. Plus cars have a history of over 100 years of experimentation/testing to get to where they are today. Very little can be experimented with when creating a car, it's ultimate function is to get you from point a to b safely. With Skyrim (and other games) creating a world immersive enough to the player is not an easy task. This is not a good comparison.

I do remember a day -- I've been playing since the 80's =P

I'm not talking about a game this massive working perfectly; I'm talking about how a game should have quest errors that interfere with you completing the rest of the game.

Games != Cars.

Every game has glitches and bugs, especially big games like this one. You just have to hope that the developers choose to patch them.

I have a question: Has anyone NOT seen this kind of post on a game forum before?

I have had 1 crash bug in Skyrim... it happens about once a week.

It's frustrating, because it inevitably happens at a time I haven't saved in a while, so I have an hour of catch-up to do.

That said, I hardly think that makes Skyrim an unplayable game. The truth of the matter is unless the OP is playing an entirely different game, made entirely from flaming dog crap that someone threw on his front porch the other morning, I really don't think that there is enough evidence to say Bethesda has made a shoddily put together product. Bugs happen, like death and taxes. If your expecting a 100% bug free experience, I'd advise blowing the dust off your SNES and going back to Super Mario World. And then getting some perspective.

I agree fully with Op.
No matter how small or big a game, if its this filled with bugs there is no excuse.
Most of you state "a game this big is bound to have bugs" which is just plain stupid.
It just means that a game of this size needs more testing and more bugfixing.

And that is something you guys just dont seem to understand.