I have been looking over this forum for a couple of weeks and only now have I decided to create an account. I am an avid player of Morrowind and Oblivion and love each in its own respective way. What ive noticed from this forum is that many topic and posts have been created that assume Bethesda is going to stick with the fallout/oblivion play style. they believe that while the combat system is cool, in the end it will be the same thing. This is fine but I think that we all have to realize that this is a NEW game, for some reason it feels like most of us including me have faith in bethesda but believe they are going to put out the same old stuff. There is just this feeling surrounding this forum that gives off a negative attitude ( towards Bethesda's ability to make new things).

The reason for all of this is the fact that bethesda has released very little information about the game. This has led many to simply hypothesize on ways they will change things in Oblivion. I ask you to think about it in a different way, there will be many new thing about this game that are going to astound you, we just have no idea what they are yet.

The best thing to do and the thing that excites me the most is thinking about how much Oblivion changed from Morrowind (yes, in some bad ways) and apply that to the change from Oblivion to Skyrim. We have no idea what this game will be. Personally I think bethesda will be able to improve more off Oblivion, which was much harder to do when going from Morrowind to oblivion.

Please dont flame me, I am just giving an outsiders view of this forum. Hopefully it will be refreshing.

Fascinating anecdote, male sibling. :thumbsup:

I agree that much of the general anxiety on this forum seems to be from all of the unfounded and mistranslated snippets of information we've been hearing about Skyrim. Personally as great as the public relations hype is, I think it would've been better if Bethesda just gave a big comprehensive overview of the game during E3 instead of emphatically having interviews about things like the new combat system and then being totally ambiguous over things like hand-to-hand, sending everybody on the forum into panic.


Scintillating soliloquy, sirrah.

No, I firmly believe that Skyrim shouldn't drastically change too much.

Just look at how the forums end up with topics such as fast travel, quest markers, voice acting, etc.

Too much change brings in multiple groups of fans that each want something different from the next game. It'll cause mayhem and riots, I tell you! :cryvaultboy:

Thats the point the forum is filled with topics with things that have been confirmed to be removed or are in the game. Again just look to the change from Morrowind to Oblivion. Bethesda does not fool around for five years like some other developers. The game will be drastically different and the whole issue is the fact that we have no knew info on that change.

None? Are you kidding me?

Firstly, welcome to the forums.

Secondly, You'll get used to it, there is tons of negativity surrounding this forum, mainly because people care a lot about the game, but most of it comes from speculation from shreds of info which in turn produces its negative aspects as well as positive. I for one belive the changes we have heard about are positive steps forward, and its looking like its gonna be a great gamen with some nice new features.

Nice post. :icecream:

The improvements going from Oblivion to Fallout 3 gives me the most hope, actually.

I completely agree with this. The thing I love most about Bethesda (especially with the TES series) is their ability to reinvent and recreate each new game in amazing ways. I'm sure Skyrim will still move in the same direction, but it will share only overarching elements with its predecessor, many things will be drastically different.

By the way, have a fishy stick!!!

http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/dogate_til_fishystick.jpg

They released some info and a trailer though, and those are enough for worried people to see that some things are the same. A journalist that attended the press demo said that this game is much more like Oblivion than Morrowind. They also said that the npc reaction to murder is still "must have been the wind".

Interesting narrative, son of my parents.

This ^

Todd has said, on a number of ocassions, that they like to treat each new Elder Scrolls game as a brand new entitiy. So, like we saw with Oblivion, each new game may go off in its own direction. At this moment in time, based on what little info we know for sure, I trust Bethesda to deliver a good piece of video game entertainment to us.

Also, Valabdil, your signature is making my brain hurt

There are a lot of differences between Morrowind and Oblivion. People complained about them.
There are a lot of differences between Daggerfall and Morrowind. I know quite a few people who didn't liked the changes...
And I'm sure there were people complaining about the changes between Arena and Daggerfall.

There will be, no, there ARE a lot of people complaining about the changes between Oblivion and Skyrim.

I think people don't seem to understand that they should treat every game as its own entity. Each game has its own ups and downs, and their own unique features.
Removing the numbers from the games would help...

They are a business following market trends. You can be assured of this much.

We should take into consideration two more things:

- The technical evolution from Morrowind to Oblivion has been supported (and encouraged by) a substantial evolution in hardware, which is not the case from Oblivion to Skyrim, the hardware is exactly the same (talking about consoles of course, their main market)
- Between Morrowind and Oblivion they didn't work on a Fallout 3 kind of big game, like they did between Oblivion and Skyrim

I'm not expecting the same level of change this time, but rather a (generally) moderate improvement over Oblivion and Fallout 3.

I think that it is impossible to really asses this type of game until you have it in your hands and have played it for at least 10 hours. Then you can truly, "wow this came is not a remake of Oblivion it is a sequel". The murky and dense forum attitude is not created by the fact that we have very little things to base are judgements of the game off of but also that in this day and age sequels are usually very similar to their predecessor but are more streamlined and polished versions. (COD)

Think about the way bethesda does sequels, the right way, they spend A LOT of time on creating a completely new and amazing game. It may not be polished but it leaves you with a new feeling comparatively to the last game in the series. The reason why there are so many negative posts is due to the fact that people have the mindset that SKyrim will be like many other sequels in this day.( basically very similar to the last game). I am keeping a very open mind about my view of Skyrim, waiting for some REAL gameplay videos, and waiting to the release date so I can use the beautiful product that was so painstakingly put together.


In many ways videogames are like art.

No. Not "must have been the wind." The NPC drew her sword and said: "I know I heard something!"

She acknowledged the dead NPC but also acknowledged the player.

I'm not trying to stir up anything in saying this, but why is everyone so worked up about this game? It'll be most likely fun no matter what, and excessive worrying over some minor details seems like it would cause so much unneeded stress.

New location, dragons, dragon shouts, dual wielding, new magic system, woodcutting, farming, mining, leather work, lute playing, smithing, 120+ unique dungeons, Radiant Story, 3D map, 3D rendering of every item in inventory, dynamic snow, new dialogue system, more jails, refined archery, word walls that chant "Dovahkiin" as you approach them, more puzzles, companions, etc...

I actually agree with you. This forum is rather pointless right now. However, as soon as E3 swings around there will be reason for the hype. There is no point commenting on every single piece of the game even though it hasnt been confirmed. Lets wait until we actually know something.

The real improvement is in the aesthetics. It's a major improvement.

VS Oblivion...

Better use of color.
Better mountains.
Hand crafted environments.
Better water.
Better sound.
NPCs have actual jobs.
Towns have economies that you can alter.
Improved animations.
A sense of culture.
Better archery system.
Better weather effects.
Better character customization.
More voice actors.
More unique races.
Better magic system.
Better AI.
Better draw distance.
and more.

How else can you talk about an unreleased game with very little info available? The only way to do it is to compare it to something similar, and oblivion fits that bill perfectly. Therefor this thread is pointless, if people followed your advice the forums would be exclusively speculation.

I agree to some extent but I think we have heard plenty about the game : ) I am sure it will be really good!

2 things I've noticed about bethesda
1. they take note of player reaction to previous games, sometimes too much (fast travel, level-scaling and quest markers were all attempts to do something about common complaints about MW)
2. they sometimes seem to feel a need to reinvent the wheel

I don't think the OP wants us to speculate, but be quiet until there's something of substance worthy of discussion. Imagine a forum filled with relevant threads. It's easy if you try. I agree though, it's nice to discuss past games within the series and how some of those things might transition over, even though we know Bethesda builds these games from the ground up with the intent of creating a completely new and more enjoyable experience for the player. Just look at the differences betweem Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion. There are some elemental themes running through the series, but as individual games they stand completely on their own.