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WAIT!... Never?

...Not even Rogue Warrior?


wow.

NVM, BS just published that, they didn't make it.

I'm curious what folks here are comparing OB/Morrowind to as far as RPG gameplay. If you truly think that Beth doesn't make the best RPG's in the world....then who does???

just do wut i did... when i got to the last mission... i walked away..

I've only played 3 games developed by Bethesda. Morrowind is my favorite RPG of all time, and I thought that Oblivion was great as well. Fallout 3 was good for the first 20-30 hours, but I got bored after that and never finished it.

As a publisher, Bethesda's record is a bit more mixed. Without mods, Star Trek: Legacy was a real mess.

Opinions, opinions everywhere.

To the OP,

Constructive criticism, my dear friend.
And most of it is what people, personally, think was the "bad" parts about the game and would like changed to get rid of those minor inconveniences and make the game all the better

Everyone here will go out and spend their money on the game, complain about it endlessly, and then 10 years later it's going to be considered the best thing since sliced bread.
Enjoy the game. Imagine that you are one of the developers/designers of a game (Oblivion, Morrowind, whatever), you've just spent 5-6 years making a game, and then when it comes out all you hear about is what isn't good about it. Grow up and realize that you bought their labor.

Enjoy it! 100 years ago you would have been playing with a greaseball while working a 4 ton steel press for 12 hours a day.

I liked Fallout 3's ending. It kind of svcked that you couldn't play after but I respected their decision to do that and for me it worked.
And c'mon, who didn't love

But sure, I've been "disappointed" by certain aspects in games made by Bethesda game studious. But that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. Hell, Mortal Kombat was my favorite franchise before I discovered Elder Scrolls so I'm used to disappoint me. ( Here's to hoping the new MK will be awesome :foodndrink: )

Frankly if Bethesda has never disappointed you then regardless of what you claim you Oblivion must have been your first Bethesda game.

That's not "The ending" it's the final battle. I enjoyed that part also.

By the ending I mean when the screen fades to black and you start hearing the grizzled voice of Ron Perlman again. It was one of the most disappointing endings I've ever experienced considering the other Fallout games. Almost nothing you did was mentioned, at best you would get to look at a slide of somewhere you've been for 2 seconds.

Fallout 1, 2, NV: Slide of a town or character comes on screen, narrator briefly describes your actions and tells you the consequences, letting you know what happened to those people you helped or didn't help.

Fallout 3: Slide of a town or character comes on screen, slide of another town or character comes on screen, etc. Nothing is ever said about any of them.

I did not like that part at all, and I definitely did not like the ending. Its all the player "sacrifice" this or that with some crappy slide that mean jack at all.

Each game made from Bethesda have their disappointment, but nothing as high as what is offer in Oblivion and Fallout 3.

Also, OP if Rhekzarid, a guy who in my honest opinion needs to be on the development team and Destri Melarg (from Chorrol.com) for lore are amateurs, then a pro must be a god.

Seconded, if we all hated Beth's games so much, would we really spend precious moments of our lives on this forum? We want to make sure that Beth are getting the appropriate feedback for their work, you can't improve unless you have someone helping you know find out what's wrong in the first place. What would happen if Todd and Co. came on the forums and saw that every thread was titled "Praise to Beth: No. ###" They'd think, 'oh, we've done a perfect job, let's never change anything about the game ever again.' Which is not a good thing. Progress is crucial to the development of any company, and to an open-world gaming company like Beth, it's even more crucial.

Obsidian. Their games have amazing writing and great RPG mechanics.
Just look an New Vegas compared to Fallout 3.
Though Bethesda are still the kings of building sandbox worlds.

Brace yourself for another era of "Oblivion was better than Skyrim"... I have a feeling history repeats itself!

Anyway, I never was disapointed in their products. Not as much as any other games I've played, but I tend to go with the flow of what a game has to offer. Some last longer, that's all!

the ONLY time Beth has really disappointed me was with the Steam requirement of New Vegas effectively making that game off-limits to me as a dial-up user. though I was abit sad that crossbows weren't in Oblivion

...as much as it had with Oblivion.

Kidding! I'm not disappointed, just angry. Wait, that's the opposite of what people say. Really though, I cannot lie and say I was not disappointed with that game. I will also not deny that it was not great in many ways. But it really could and should have been better.

I wouldn't say that Bethesda is perfect by any means but they are a lot better then some of the other game companies out there.

I am so confused by these topics...

What modern RPG's out there are better than Morrowind, OB, and FO3? If BGS isn't the best cRPG developer in the world, then who is? And why aren't you wasting your time on their forums?

These are serious questions for me, because if they really have legitimate answers I'd truly like to know. Morrowind was a great game, so was OB, and FO3. Could they be better? Sure. Does that go for everything in life. Yes.

Fact of the matter--they are all great games, so quit whining and just play.

anyone notice that in daggerfall they diddnt have to bow to a console :3

i think the overall demand for pollish in the gaming industry takes a bit of steam out of their engines, because they have to focus on quality over quantity, which is kind of a paradox in a game like TES where quantity IS the games quality (in a sense, i mean most people i know think of the TES series as the one where you can go anywhere, and the anywhere is very big)

Are you saying then, that you're ok with having lots of stuff to do and places to go even if it looks/works crappy and is not well thought out?

I think Skyrim should go for a perfect balance of quality and quantity. Just putting in more crappy stuff for the sake of it doesn't really make sense to me...

Yes. It's sad really. Oblivion dosn't deserve most of the hate it get on these forums. And Morrowind is certainly not without it's faults either but funny enough, people tend to forget this.

As for Fallout 3's ending though, i have to admit, that's probably one of the worst endings in a game i have ever seen, along with any other game with a similar ending. But then again, that kind of crap was never my thing, not in movies and certainly not in games.

As for the best RPG developer, i think it depends on what kind of RPG we are talking about. If we are talking open world roleplaying games, then Bethesda is surely the king. On the other hand, BioWare is the king of story driven roleplaying games. In other words, these two are my favourites and they are good in each their way.

Bethesda Softworks has only disappointed me three times (or in 3 things to be more honest).

1. Oblivion. oblivion was a great game, i'm sure no one else could've done it better, on the other hand... who said that bethesda couldn't have made it 3 times better? its predeccessor, morrowind was a tons better game in my opinion, from the size of the world map and fast travel system to the difficulty scaling
Oblivions Largest downs were its yes..

1) Difficulty scaling, what was arena famous for? Immense difficulty at level 1. in oblivion u can win the game at level 1 since the enemies levels and abilities scale with yours. and you can set it as a difficulty but its either everyone kicks your ass, everyones hard to kill but you can do it or everybody will bow before your one hit kill. Morrowind didn't have this issue, some opponents are greater than others. others are inferior.u can't win oblivion at level 5, no way. u can do that with oblivion. the only thing that says you can't is that you will be levelling up as u do the main quest storyline, if you'd just mod the game to disable player levelling u could still win it at level 1. also in morrowind you could find a tomb and the best armor while u were level 5 fighting off level 10 mobs which were guarding some epic piece of armor or weapon which was so rewarding if you got there. in oblivion that doesn't happen. its just meh.

2) Fast travel system. it was too simple, easy and unneeded? you had horses for travelling and since the world map is so undersized you don't need fast travel at all. i preferred not to use it -ever-. i'd have rather it wouldn't be there since it ruins the exploration experience.

2. Fallout 3. i played it for like 6 hours of total before i got completely bored of the game. thats that. i know a lot of people woh did the same. i'd rather play stalker shadow of chernobyl.
1) With its massive world (unlike oblivion) it was lacking vehicles or any means of travel other than by foot or by a mouse click on the map.



3. NPC and Player faces. Those things are just so ugly in all the games that bethesda game studios has ever made except for daggerfall and arena. UUUUUUUUUGLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!! i've been unable to play through Oblivion, Fallout or Morrowind without a face mod. and a hair mod.


But i try my best not to be a pessimistic negative person so lets take a look at the good things about the bad.

Oblivion had a legendary. not just great, not just epic, Legendary character customization menu. (except it was just the menu, not the results, u can't make a pretty face in that game.) but on the bright side you can make an incredibly fierce looking male character. or like an old veteran woman.

Oblivion had a great combat system.

Oblivion had a great mount/vehicle/riding system. only 2 flaws, no horse combat which the first screenshot i ever saw from oblivion suggested horse combat and theres no other rideable animals except for horses.

Fallout 3 was a great game, it just gets boring after a while, and a crappy fast travel system and no vehicle system. and an inferior char customization system.


Bethesda is making great games, doing great things. but the thing is that recently i haven't seen a single game from them that they actually finished. They've made the game, its good, but its lacking the greatness, epicness. the perfection, the dot over the i. the finishing touch,

Since you asked, Gothic 2: Night of the Raven easily outclassed those games in terms of atmosphere, characterization, combat, and immersion. Imo, of course.