It's not just the gaming industry; it's all software. So, you'll either have to deem all software developers incompetent and lazy or accept that purchasing software is slightly different than buying a toothbrush.

"the rare, amazing backwards flying dragon"

this cheered me up
lighthearted- maybe not appropriate in light of the circumstances- but thats the way to go about things (that arent a big deal)

also, i have yet to see one

Thank you, Bethesda. I love you too. :tes:

So no quest fixes until January? Blah. At least they are talking to us, though.

"Yes, the first two game add-ons will have 30 day exclusivity on Xbox 360." = Well, that's a bunch of crap.

why the hell would i do that. they sold me a product that was broken, then they broke it even more. if you enjoy handing out money for stuff that doesn't work good for you, but i don't.

Now we have all learned (well some of us have learned) not to buy a Bethesda game until after the price has gone down.

Once again Bethesda has caused my nipbles to harden in anticipation...

Am I the only one who read until the link, then got distracted by the music video and didn't read the rest?

how often do you buy a toothbrush in a store that is broken, missing pieces, etc. oh thats right, never because they actually do their jobs. bethesda needs to fix their quality department and focus more on putting out a fully functioning product instead of only worrying about how much money they can make.

This is the horrible mentality that perpetuates this kind of "release incomplete software, then release patches much later that break the game further...haha we already got your money and you don't care because we are a name brand" behaviour.

Calling the game broken is just overdoing it, it works fine for most people.

January?!?!? I can't play this broken ass game for another month!

Edit: When I say broken, my game works fine, it's just a poorly developed satire on decent RPGs.

Wahhhhh I spent my rent money on skyrim and it won't work and I'm getting kicked out of my apartment. Bethesda studios now is responsible for finding me a place to live. Im suing !!!

Yes, it was obviously their intention from the start to release a patch that would cause SOME people issues. You're a genius man...

As long as I can oneday continue past the broken quest that's part of tr thieves guild so I can become a theif I'll be happy. It's funny because people say not to break into the black-briar meadery and everything should continue and you can actually speak to maven but I say I'm a thief how can I not break into it. If I would of known it would of made the game almost pointless for my assasin thief build that's 150 hours into the game I would have avoided it. This has to get fixed. If it doesn't I will hate Bethesda but right now I'm not jumping to any of that. I understand things take time so I'll give them time. With that said fix it NOW please I really want to play as a full member of the guild. Of course the one main reason why I bought the games doesn't even work for me. Oh and now I find out I may have a dark brother hood bug that doesn't let me talk with the crazy little boy. Today is not a good day. My assassin thief cannot be either of the two as far as the story goes. My perk pionts are wasted into these perks along with time, at least for now.

Because every game is flawless at launch and this is the first broken patch ever made.

I suppose we should be happy that Bethesda is showing love to mods. The CK video tutorials and wiki they plan to release sound promising, it shows that they care and recognize the value of mods. As long as no stupid restrictions are forced on us, I'm happy.

Though January feels a very long time away...

Games come out with bugs. Such is life.

Deal with it.

Actually I buy faulty products all the frigging time! I don't know which perfect dimension you're from, but I'd like to visit it some time. Next thing you'll tell me is you never makes mistakes either. Maybe you should grow the [censored] up?

You do realize they released this patch on Xbox and PC several DAYS after it was on PS3 and everyone knew it was broken, don't you?

Why do you think people always say "I'll wait for the GOTY edition" when it comes to Bethesda's games. It's because they tend to have game breaking bugs. It's nothing new, I know it svcks but the problem with gamers is there is no self control. People always buy on release day at full price and then complain later.

I can't really feel sorry for you dude because these games have always had issues. My advice would be to check up on games before you buy them, especially these days because there is a release first then patch later mentality in the gaming industry.

I wasn't sure I wanted to play my primary character until the patch-related issues were sorted out, so I rolled a new character last night to see how I liked playing a stealth archer. Perhaps you could enjoy playing a character not built around magical resistance while you wait?

Yet another apologistic really devoted fan who simply doesn't care what is given to them as long as it's from a "brand name". You act like there are not companies that release games that are highly polished or at the very least have infinitely fewer issues even at launch that get patched pretty quickly.

This is a case of "Haha, we're Bethesda and we know that most of the masses will keep their heads in the sand and stay in line. We already got your money!".

Or you could focus on what he actually said. He said buying a toothbrush is different than buying software. As in, not the same. As in, you buy toothbrushes and you expect something different than when you buy software. Of course your toothbrush should not be broken.

However, software doesn't have the same expectations. It's impossible to ensure that all software will always work on every system. It's going to fail out there somewhere, no matter what. That's why buying a toothbrush is not like buying software.


Not only that, but the video game is a toy, something for you to enjoy, it's a luxury. Not having it work properly for a little while is nothing even close to an injustice. This is the most common weakness in some of the complaints on this board, people tend to view Skyrim as if they bought a defibrillator, that if it fails it might just kill them.

For one thing, it's a luxury. Yes, you paid for it, but if you used your life savings on Skyrim you are either a little kid, or an idiot. Skyrim is something you buy with extra money, not with your grocery money. It's a toy, a luxury, not something you are going to need at any point in your life.

Secondly, you don't really have any rights in it to begin with. I'm not saying I agree with this, because I don't. I'm saying it's true. If you read the EULA and you read the copyright cases and the laws associated with this stuff, you'd see that video games are licensed, not sold. You don't own it. You don't own the box, the manual, the cd, the game, nothing. No law anywhere (in the USA) supports this idea that you have some vested right in the game. You never have, not even Morrowind. Look at my signature. It's a travesty, but it's true.

So while I understand a lot of people complaining about things that go wrong, I cannot understand at all why they take this so seriously. It's a game. A toy. When a toy breaks it's not the end of the world, it's just a toy. It's for fun, casual, spare time.

Of course you can expect it to work. You should expect it to work.

But if it doesn't, it's not a personal insult to your family. It's not a tragedy of society that represents the unraveling of all moral fabric. It's not serious at all. Some people here get so wound up and pissed off that their toy is broken, it reminds me of Kindergarteners. And yes, I've taught kindergarten.

Sure, ask for a fix. Wait for a fix. Expect a fix, even. But don't get so huffed up and angry about it. Be polite, be professional, and be helpful and everyone will get a better product, sooner.

you all dont get that JANUARY could mean nearly Two months from now on they will release it at the end of january and use the vacation times as an excuse. believe me.

thats VERY LATE for the ck to be released. i am more and more certain moneysofts dlc deal has something to do with this. they are holding the cs back so moneysoft gets thier christmas sales for eggs box instead of pc. because after ck pc will be > all and they know that.