http://baldurdash.org/TESOblivion/UOPFixList.html

How's that for real numbers?

Aha! A fellow sensationalism-hater, how wonderful to meet you.

On-topic: I think that in Oblivion I crashed about 10 times, but I believe that I had filled OBMM with conflicting mods back then.

I believe Kivan's point was that there are relatively few serious bugs compared to a very large number of minor issues. Those numbers are quite exaggerated, but the ratios probably aren't off by too much.

OK, http://baldurdash.org/TESOblivion/UOPFixList.html. I'm just http://www.uesp.net/wiki/User:Kivan. What could I know? :shrug:
(Also those don't include all the ones from the supplementals.)

They wanted numbers, I gave them numbers... I don't spread sensationalism; I'm pretty objective. Notice that I never complain about Bethesda or the developers at all. Only the least experienced people with game design would ever claim that open world games either have no bugs, or should have no bugs. Neither is possible.

Still need to update that with the last three years fixes though.

I think he knows what he's talking about you on the other hand ... you not so much ...
http://baldurdash.org/TESOblivion/UOPFixList.html ->this is the fix list that is not updated since 2008 of Unofficial Oblivion Patch fixes.

edit:Don't listen to him Kivan you do an awesome job on bug squashing!!!!

I remember my first copy of Morrowind for the Xbox was really screwy. The House Telvanni Quest line couldn't be completed (you couldn't become Archmagister) and several of the Vampire clan quests couldn't be finished either (only one, the Berne I think, could actually get the quest where you have to depopulate the other clans). Now there are patches though so that sort of thing could be fixed.

Don't worry brah, PC gots their people, Consoles gots the developers. yo. :spotted owl: /gangsta
In time the bugs will be eradicated, there were some bugs in MW and OB, but never really bothered me.

That's funny that you made that mod, because according to websites, the UOP mod fixes 1800 bugs total.

MW and OBV had a fair share of bugs on xbox/xbox360, we downloaded patches for the latter, and most of the minor ones were dealt with in the GOTY MW.
It can be extremely frustrating to try and complete a bugged quest because the NPC wandered off, or the object doesnt show up, or your prompt didn't activate.
GOTY MW and OB for xbox addressed quite a few, which is why we are going to wait for the GOTY edition of Skyrim, barring a mutiny by the kids. Fallout3 and NV bugs annoyed the living hell out of us.

The 70-80k objects aren't considered bugs.

Patches don't usually have published notes, so I understand why you completely overlooked the fact that they exist.

Arthmoor added several hundred while I was away. I don't have time to count them all accurately as there are too many and I have another one to roll out before I get to work on Skyrim. Please feel to do so if you like.



That was actually fixed by Bethesda (Harlun's Watch). The similar one that wasn't fixed is that exploring the Temple of the Ancestor Moth will break the Thieves' Guild questline.



Thank you. But I still listen to everyone... I'd best get back to it if I want to get this one out.

Playing Oblivion and Fallout 3, I had some minor bugs. Had to restart the game a few times, but we are talking about 100s of hours of gameplay.

New Vegas on the other hand... I know it was a gamesas release and not a BGS game. But my God did I have issues with that mess. LOL

Skyrim will be fine. I expect the most common culprit will be getting stuck in the scenery, which is a Bethesda tradition. :hubbahubba:

i think that why they make the modding thing

Patches? Never heard of them.

elder scrolls are huge games, so it is impossible for them to find and fix all the bugs, and the bugs are very minor, like one of them for Oblivion was the spiderwebs missing a zbufferproperty, and all that that does is make your character bald when it goes under it

Good points. To the OP, bugs are something that at the end of the day are tricky and situational. What one personal may face on their PC/console another might not but might face some entirely different bug. And every game always has bugs.

Broken and Bugs are different things. But at some point your company can't give the time or resources to make a patch even if well known bugs still exist and have to move on.

For this I referr you to Obsidian Entertainment.

Despite Fallout: New Vegas being the most buggiest and most people affecting(in terms of bugs) Fallout game ever and the mass of bugs still left Obsidian doesn't want to make a patch.

Why? For those exact reasons.

I'm not saying these decisions to leave a product buggy or broken(Other than at release Daggerfall none of BGS's games have been particularly broken at all or mass buggy. I have faced bugs and some freezes here and there.) is fully justified.

I'm just telling you how it is OP and others.

Bethesda often fixes major bugs after release
However they will leave in bugs like duplication glitches for fun
However bethesda has a bad track record with PS3
Oblivion had a serious vampire glitch that was never fixed no matter how much the PS3 owners complained
PS3 also never got all the DLC either
We never got the wizards tower, deepscorn hollow, only shivering isles expansion
Case in point
If there is a game breaking bug on xbox it'll be fixed in a bit
But if its on
Ps3 it may not ever be fixed

Microsoft wants to get paid to release patches for XBox 360. Let be sure that unless there's some major game breaking bugs left in the game past the 1-2 first patches, it'll never get fixed in a XBox 360 game. I think Sony is the same btw.

I wouldn't worry about it, I played OB for hundreds of hours on the 360, then decided to try the PC version with mods, the first mods I installed were the unofficial patches and to be honest I couldn't tell the difference. I reckon that most of the things that they fixed were so minor, that you'd have to be looking for them with a very keen eye. One thing I did think they would fix (which was noticeable), was the raining through roofs but sadly not.

With all due respect, that means nothing. For my part, I can say that I've never experienced the bow reach bug in Oblivion that caused many players to CTD. I've also never experienced the unarmored bug in Morrowind that made playing without armor impossible. Bugs exist and are serious business whether we personally experience them or not.

Bugs are to be expected, no company in the world can have the time and resources needed to fix all the bugs in such a huge piece of software. There are like 100 people working on the game vs. millions of users who actually will be the real testers. Anyway if the new micro-patching system will work as expected we should get a pretty refined game in a few months after its release. If not, we can always count on the amazing efforts of the modding community..



..as long as modders aren't too tired by ignorant comments like this and decide to invest their time and efforts somewhere else :confused: