Bethesda's obsession with American history

Post » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:08 am

They really need to cool it, not everyone gives a [censored]. The Lincoln outfit was a fun easter egg but this whole minutemen/hancock really feels out of place. Is every American city just a collection of civil war museums? It made sense for the capital since Washington has nothing of interest but ffs. Even the robots have an anachronistic boat.
User avatar
neen
 
Posts: 3517
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:19 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:56 pm

Dude. There is a ton of historical sites in Boston IRL. If you don't like it....than play a different game. Besides. Boston has a lot of history with the revolutionary war....Minutemen....Boston tea party.....Siege of Boston.

User avatar
Melis Hristina
 
Posts: 3509
Joined: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:36 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:58 pm

where are you from?

User avatar
Brooks Hardison
 
Posts: 3410
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:14 am

Post » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:53 am

What is with all this sand in New Vegas, I mean really! Enough with the damn desert theme in New Vegas! Why all the cacti?

User avatar
Nitol Ahmed
 
Posts: 3321
Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 7:35 am

Post » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:12 am

I don't recall seeing any Civil War museums in FO4.

User avatar
Marguerite Dabrin
 
Posts: 3546
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:33 am

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:21 pm


I think he mistook the Museum of Freedom for civil war.... where you start out in the beginning. Thing is....it has things with World War 2 and red coat mannequin's from the Revolutionary War. Nothing to do with the Civil War.

User avatar
Abel Vazquez
 
Posts: 3334
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:25 am

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:05 pm

Person who hates America plays a game made by an American game company. Feels offended.

News at 11.
User avatar
Helen Quill
 
Posts: 3334
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:12 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:13 pm



Keep in mind that the United Stated in the Fallout World was extremely focused on American Superiority and hyper-patriotic. It makes sense that major historical sites would be a major focus of the pre-war culture.
User avatar
Samantha Mitchell
 
Posts: 3459
Joined: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:33 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:49 pm

I'm not American, but for one thing I love learning about actual history (he, who they calleth reader of all the plaques); as much as I love to chuckle about the Fallout-typical fake history.



Speaking of Fallout-typical: The borderline cynical portrayal of the pre-war US is so embedded within the formula, I dare say it's practically part of the franchise's art design at this point. A Fallout without 1950s Americana style simply isn't Fallout - that also means exploring real history at times, too.

User avatar
Chloe Botham
 
Posts: 3537
Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:11 am

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:18 pm


And the game takes place in America in an area that has a deep history with the American Revolution.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution

User avatar
Elisha KIng
 
Posts: 3285
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:18 am

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:39 pm

Fallout 4 is in America, what were you expecting? African history?



These parallels between future and past makes great setting for this type of game and it newer hurts if player actually manages to learn something out of game he is playing.

User avatar
brandon frier
 
Posts: 3422
Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:47 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:36 pm

It's Boston. :shrug:



You cannot walk down the streets today without being enveloped in it's history. It wouldn't be Boston, otherwise.

User avatar
CSar L
 
Posts: 3404
Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:36 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:44 pm

Boston is one of the most historical places in America. That's like complaining about too many slot machines in Las Vegas.
User avatar
Andrew
 
Posts: 3521
Joined: Tue May 08, 2007 1:44 am

Post » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:56 am

Also one of themes of the series is war never changing and history repeating it's self.
User avatar
Franko AlVarado
 
Posts: 3473
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:49 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:25 pm

It's almost like Fallout is set in America.
User avatar
Lalla Vu
 
Posts: 3411
Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:40 am

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:01 pm

Yeah, it's Boston. It's kind of a historical city. Because a lot of American Revolutionary events happened there. I can understand why they took certain approaches.


Although I may question the need for there to be a faction based on an actual historical one just because the setting, especially since that faction turned out as dull as a rock. I only hope if a game takes place in the southeast they don't also feel inclined to "DURH THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONFEDERATE FACTION BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE".
User avatar
Rowena
 
Posts: 3471
Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:40 am

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:54 pm

An American developer making an American game set in America in 1950s' making fun of American culture taking place in an apocalypse world in Boston... you guess it, America. It's like saying why Japanese games are so Japanese.



On a serious note, it's more about the location, Boston, is more of a historical place where many historical events happen. This is why a lot of quests also have historical references like the Battle at the Bunker Hills.

User avatar
james tait
 
Posts: 3385
Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:26 pm

Post » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:40 am

there were cacti in new vegas...? :-o

User avatar
GabiiE Liiziiouz
 
Posts: 3360
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:20 am

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:44 pm

uhm did it ever occur to you that one of the genres fallout belongs to is "alternative history"?


no alternative history without history....


(and no, i'm not american)

User avatar
He got the
 
Posts: 3399
Joined: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:19 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:20 pm

If this bugs you, then you would probably be annoyed with Bioshock Infinite, which has a fictional floating city that's based entirely on the Americana theme. More alternate history/universes, woo!



Though I won't deny that I am an American who can get annoyed with over-the-top Americana in games, TV shows, or movies, but it really depends on how it's done. I see Fallout 4's world as being in such a distraught state that Boston reverted back to some aspects of the old days. The Minutemen do make sense in this post-apocalyptic world, even if the way Bethesda implemented them (go help this settlement...again! And again! lol) could have been better.

User avatar
Chris Ellis
 
Posts: 3447
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:00 am

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:17 pm


I feel your pain, and am overjoyed and tickled pink. :wave:

User avatar
Stephanie I
 
Posts: 3357
Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:28 pm

Post » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:21 am


http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Barrel_cactus_fruit ;)

User avatar
Rach B
 
Posts: 3419
Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:30 am

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:01 pm

Must remind the OP of school or something.



I love the history themes in FO3 and FO4.



That said, I hope the next one is in Florida. I mean, it's nearly Fallout there now, so converting it over would be pretty easy.

User avatar
Ella Loapaga
 
Posts: 3376
Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:45 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:37 pm

oooh right, these... :-))

User avatar
Richard
 
Posts: 3371
Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:50 pm

Post » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:48 pm

same here from a european. i'm cool with americana, as long as it's justified by the story


(the only thing that sometimes strikes me rather odd is a certain us-specific type of patriotism pathos. bos-style, if you will :-)

User avatar
Francesca
 
Posts: 3485
Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:26 pm

Next

Return to Fallout 4