The series stayed 'alive' because they are good games, they have a unique setting and humour/aesthetic, and theyre windows games (so presentable and playable compared with dos games of the same time)

Aside from those people who made further patches to the games I don't see anyone other than the original designers/artists who deserves my special 'respect'.

Try a shorter horse next time, mmkay? Kindly don't tell me who I should respect. I'm a fan of the game - not the community. I'm a pen and paper gamer, separating respect of the product from "the community that keeps it alive" is old hat for me.

NMA is not some inapproachable starchamber sitting in judgement of the Fallout franchise. They're just people. Same as me. Their opinion has not the slightest iota more worth than mine. I've played the same games and read the same design documents they have. So I have no intention of going there and starting a debate with them. They can have their opinion, I can have mine. As far as I'm concerned, they're a bunch of bitter, jaded people looking at the franchise through rose colored glasses. They can lie to themselves and tell each other that I've obviously never played the first two games. See, we're both happy.



A lot of people get worked up way too easily. I hate to tell you, but combining every design document and tidbit of information released for any fallout game to date still doesn't come close to painting a picture of "THE WORLD". Just because nobody knew about it beforehand doesn't make it's inclusion canon breaking.

Oh look, its another pretenious person claiming he speaks for a majority.

Where is the proof that "Most fallout fans" hate fallout 3 - Dont give MNA/DAC as proof, only the most motivated of fans post there, and some of those that like the game (like me) are scared off by their "No change allowed" attitude.

Can you point me to where it says in canon, anywhere, it says "There most definately, positively, is not another trace of FEV in the world, we don't belive in backups just incase the Chineese nuke Mariposa" - If you need help, well as a self declared "true" fan I'm sure you know where to find the holotapes on the Vault.

Not entirely, Autumn actually believed Eden was going too far with the FEV.

I'm sorry but NMA is not more entitled to having influence any more than I am over the series. I am a Fallout fan of the series since it was first released, and you have to realize that canon changes even within the same dev teams over time, I mean there were so many sketchy parts and contradiction in the Fallout Bible, and things that you were told about in the game does not necessarily MEAN it was TRUE. They are truths perceived by the people or characters in the game. Now if bethesda erased definite history of what happened in the first two games and replaced it with their own, like saying california fell into the ocean, that would be a definite breach of canon. Having different strains of FEV is not necessarily breaking canon.
Sure the people at NMA are fans of the series, but zealotry is never a good thing, even for a game.

There is some club around that 'certifies' Fallout 'true' fans? I bet if it exists it would that 'no non-nerds allowed' hatred pool.

Please stop speaking for all old school fans. We don't all hate Fallout 3, heck not a single Fallout fan I know hates Fallout 3, they all enjoy it.



Yeah yeah, as if they're the holy people, the guardians of all that is Fallout *rollseyes*

There's much kudos to give them, but that doesn't make them the spokespersons for everyone else.



lol, overcredit much?



oh my god NO!!!!! Please tell me it ain't so.

Lay off discussion of NMA.

From the pinned rules:

Uh, for the peoeple discussing the ins and outs of the plot for some reason, start putting spoiler tags there? Some issues, options and happeneings I haven't reached in the main quest were mentioned while I was reading a thread that isn't even about the plot but the game as a whole.

Thanks

As for the hardcoe fans, they come with the territory. I consider myself a Fallout fan, i.e., I bought all the previous games and played the heck out of each of them and really enjoyed them. If hardcoe fans don't consider me a 'true fan' because I like a sequel that doesn't stick completely to the last DEAD games then so be it. Not like their opinion matters to me anyway. They may try to tell me what I'm right to like or dislike, but they can't, and that angers them.

I find it interesting that people scream at plotholes in Bethesda's game, yet seem to completely ignore the fact that the Fallout Bible even says Fallout 2 suffered from many.

I liked Fallout 3, but did feel like it needed more. I also feel as if Bethesda is trying not to touch the West coast too much on purpose. Interplay has their game ideas mostly for that side of the US, afterall.

Fallout 3 proved that Bethesda can make a decent game in the series... provided it has different writers. There were a lot of things in the game that felt like loose ends that will never be tied up. I liked a lot of the concepts and designs, but I feel that Bethesda needs to cycle in a different set of writers.

To me, the future looks bright in the hands of Bethesda. They did a good job trying to incorporate new into the old, but made the things of Fallout 1 and 2 suffer a bit too much. With some tweaking to their game design, storylinewise and choicewise, they could make a very good sequel to Fallout 3. I hope they do though.... They could easily bring back more of Fallout 1 and 2's gameplay into their hybrid RPG-first person style of gaming. I hope they do, because I find it a lot more enjoyable than the turn-based system. Their combat system is good enough, now they need to add to their conversation and interaction systems before next game, which won't be for a while I'm sure.

Indeed, fallout 2 was clearly rushed. And buggy.

And yet even in that state it was a great game.

they could make van buren.....i prefer TES for some reason not shure y

Issues of past Fallout games do not excuse the issues of Fallout 3.

It doesn't matter that hardcoe [censored] do or don't like/love it. What does matter is that they are making capitol. And i'm not talking bottle caps.

As is Fallout 3. Or so the people who know something about gaming say, as do I.



Odd, considering that the anti fallout 3 crowd seem to be claiming a lot about respecting history, that they refuse to acknowledge their own. FO2 was that "ugly duckling" once.

I don't think they need different writers, they just need to let them finish the stories/plot lines and tie up the loose ends

there are loads of really moving touches in the game and even the old skeletons scattered among the ruins seemed to have back stories that could be worked (the toaster in the bath, the skeletons on the bed with pills on the bedside table, etc)