I figured that the whole "eating thing" was just him trying to scare the protagonist or jerking him/her around.

It comes across so forced that it doesn't feel natural, someone who's actually like "yeah, I'd eat you" wouldn't be talking about it like he does IMO.

Seems more like a "What's this? A human? Ugh... I got enough [censored] on my plate so I'm just gonna be a dike towards him, maybe he'll leave us alone".

And exploitative and exploitative, tons of NPC's who gives out quests come across as exploitative really.

Again, I don't feel like he's a villain. More like someone who's pretty damn bitter and angry at the world and who directs those he feel made feel this way.

He's a dike, sure, but a villain? Hardly. The Khans are more villainous than Set.

Set isn't a villain, IMO, just an individual with other prorities than the vault dweller, who is nicer that he let appear.

Also, all that talk about Ashur, but let's not forget that Wernher is as much an antagonist than him, if not even more if you side with Ashur...

Right and unless Eden intends for humanity to be confined to the Capital Wasteland for the rest of time his plan hasn't achieved much and his delivery mechanism for the virus is so specific to the area that its effectively useless on a broader scale anyway.

Eden's not going to tell a guy with wastelander ties he's trying to convince to help him that everyone in the wastes isn't human and has to die. If Eden doesn't agree with Richardson's ideology then who is giving the Enclave those genetic compliance orders? Its certainly not Autumn.

To be honest, Eden's plan is just broken. It basically amounts to, "Everyone not born in the Enclave must die." IIRC, he stated that even humans who had even the smidge-tracing of a mutation would keel over if they drank the FEV-infected water.

Richardson's plan was more in line of "Everyone BUT the humans must die because the human race must endure."

Ashur and Werner felt more well-rounded than Eden!

I've only done the New Vegas MQ once, and with Yes Man. I hadn't done it siding with the NCR/Legion, so I've no opinion. House seems like a dike, though. He seems to only care about himself and his idea of Vegas, not about what's actually happening in the Mojave Wasteland.

IMO, they did great with Ashur and Werner because by the end of that whole thing I'm like, "Who do I help?" Ashur is a complete teddy bear who only wants to better the Wasteland THROUGH SLAVERY! Werner is a self-serving butthole who also wants to liberate the slaves of The Pittsburgh. If Ashur has his way, he and his wife and their band of Slavers and Raiders, will cure radiation and transform The Pittsburgh into a beacon. With Werner behind the wheel, he would have you free the slaves, halt the process and the cure for radiation poisoning

will probably die while being experimented on, yielding little or no results.
They're both good, they're both bad. They occupy this neutrality and it's difficult to commit to one or the other.

Todd Howard is in the game?

Something akin to pre-war society reclaiming the Capital Wasteland wouldn't be a nominal accomplishment (that would huge in the context of post-war America), and there's nothing to suggest that the logistics of F.E.V propagation wouldn't change to something befitting of future circumstances and territories.

Eden says himself that he agrees with Richardson ideology (not verbatim but essentially), the salient difference is in the verbiage (see my previous post) used and the targets extirpated.Richardson's plan only targets humanoids, leaving a considerable threat for a depleted humanity to combat on a global scale.This is a reification of his rancor towards mutants, as he focuses on those that are different rather than what is dangerous.All this plan achieves is the subordination of humanity on the food chain, if not their denouncement from it as large tracts of the world may not of have protection against radiation. Possibly eventuating in only the enclave and prior vault dwellers to challenge the earths population of abominations.

Eden's plan targets all forms of life subject to radiation, providing a reset for the capital wasteland and possibly the world with the right alterations/plan.This affords humanity the ability to reclaim the wastes rather than having to yet still fight for them.

It's hard to tell, we know nothing of the Institute. After all the hype over the years, maybe they only play a small role in the game. Sure didnt show anything at E3.

The next villain is obviously the Vault-Tech salesman. I mean, look into those eyes...pure evil.

Watch it actually be him.

I have a feeling this would turn out to be true, but I really hope not

I liked the concept of The Master.

I like to think he uploaded himself to some computer network when he realized he was going to lose. There he waits. I don't know if I want Bethesda to revisit that but I think it'd make a good mod in the right hands.

Frank was okay. I barely remember the villain from F3 (granted I have not played in a long, long time). NV had a lot of interesting characters who were all arguably villainous since they all wanted power in some manner or another.

I think Bethesda can come up with a memorable experience. I've enjoyed their other titles.

He was a lot of things, but hypocritical wasn't one of them. The Legion only existed to make Edward Sallow a major historical figure, no matter how many people had to die to do it. He was an incredibly selfish man.

I can see the head of the Institute being the classic morally bankrupt mad scientist; it's not necessarily a bad thing to have an unambiguously evil character in the story. What I'd really like to see is how they can turn the "heroes" of the narrative questionable: Maybe Elder Arthur Maxson of the Brotherhod of Steel is too obsessed with ambition and glory to see how his actions affect everyone else, or maybe the leader of the android rebellion is blinded by revenge and hatred for the Institute that they want to see it utterly destroyed, sacrificing technology that could be used to help the wasteland.

It would be great to see the pure-evil antagonist get taken down and then see other characters become villains themselves in trying to fill a power vacuum. I can't shake the feeling that we'll see Arthur Maxson become the antagonist at some point in the plot.

Total hypocrite. He forbade his troops from using NCR meds to heal themselves, while he himself was taking them because of his headaches.

Don't forget the auto-doc in his bedroom.

He didn't want his troops to be using them because he wanted them to be reliant on the fact that medicine may very well run out and they should be able to take care of themselves without chems to heal themselves. But Caesar isn't a foot soldier that is meant to be in the front lines of battle, this rule doesn't apply to him but it does not make him hypocritical. The idea behind it is the same as with guns or why he doesn't want the Legion to be using robots to fight wars. Because what if they run out of it? What if they lose their gun in the battle? What happens when a soldier becomes naked in front of their enemy. Caesar wanted his soldiers to be able to adapt to any situation and so in regards to medicine he instead allows them to create their own herbal medicine that they can easily craft from resources they can gather themselves whereas chems would need a lab to be created. And like I said, he's not a soldier. He's a leader. The rules of the soldiers does not apply to the rules of the leaders. He's no more hypocritical than any other leader of any other faction. So you wanna call Caesar a hypocrite? Ok, call all other leaders that get special perks because of their position hypocrites as well. Does it ultimately matter if he's a hypocrite when everyone else is too?

It's not too much different from an officer giving strict punishments for her soldiers drinking alcohol while they are employed by the army but drinks some alcohol herself when at an officers party/gala/whatever. The soldiers minds needs to be clean and alert as they are in the field where they could be attacked by hostiles. Hers does not when in a special circumstance, such as a party where the point is to build ties with other officers and to let all the higher ups get to know one another so that it'll be easier to communicate with one another or be able to come to certain deals or share ideas. She does not have the same job as they do. She does not have the same kind of responsibility that they do. She has other responsibilities and so long as she can do them it doesn't matter if she can blow off steam every once in a while. She earned that right by becoming an officer in the first place. She gets special privilege, sure, but she also has greater responsibilities.

If she's a hypocrite then so is Caesar, but so is anyone remotely equivalent to them.

As cold hearted as it sounds, it does not matter much if a soldier dies from lack of chemical meds, but an entire nation can feel the impact if its leader dies, especially in a time of great strain.

I am afraid they would make him essential...

Okay sure, the NCR is spread too thin and rife with corruption, but I still think I'd rather live under them than a band of violent rapists and slavers. Life in the Legion isn't really good for anyone that isn't an athletic male...

There will be mods to reverse that notion and it will be file of the month.

Yes, he's the Default Sole Survivor. Don't they look uncannily similar to each other?

That said, I just hope FO4's villain is interesting and has a plot that actually makes sense.

I liked Autumn and president Eden. Benny was just somesmooth talking chump with extremely cheesy lingo, and I had even less reason to care about Lanious as a villian than I did Caesare. The only NV character I genuinely liked was House. Hopefully Ill be able to enjoy who ever the antagonist of 4 is.

Sorry, still a hypocrite.

Fair enough, then so is every leader and quite a lot (if not all) officers of higher rank of any and all factions.

Someone made a thread about the ending of the conference where the blue orbital strike (laser?) decimates the city/MIT. If that's the evil ending choice, then I really don't see this game succeeding in either a story or Bethesda's first good Fallout villain.

Yeah, Bethesda has this penchant for confusing pointless destruction as a compelling "evil" plot. I still shake my head at the Power of the Atom quest. The only way I can accept their "lel exploshunz" stuff is if they give a good explanation in the story for why this is happening.