Bethesda, please answer me, what was the real reason you removed the Dogmeat Duplication Glitch/Shippment Duplication Glitch from Consoles?


I'll say this, I always felt you support PC mor then us Consoles, there is nothing you can say that will change my mind. Those Glitches DONT BREAK THE GAME, and there were other stuff you should have fixed, and you didn't. I love Fallout 4, I love crafting unique and personal settlements, settlements wasmy favorite part, "WAS" my favorite part. Now I can't stand it, I liked having those glitches, it allowed me to craft stuff I usually couldn't. Now I have to spend the monolith of the game finding and hauling crap back to my settlement, just so I can craft 2 Turrets! Those were our way to allow us a small feel of what PC players do, felt nice to have something like a PC. Now? It's boring. I used to love building settlements, now it's utterly boring, and stressful.


So I'll ask every one of you to watch this video BEFORE responding, and then you can talk. I agree with every word he says, don't argue me down, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pNtNeJz_rhQ


So Bethesda, I want, you know what? I want the REAL reason they removed them, it's a Single Player game, I can understand it if it was a Co-Op, Multiplayer, or a MMO, but it's not. I have the right to play as I want and not even Bethesda can tell me how I can play.


I want the real reason, and not from Bethesda Staff, or some random Scapegoat, I want it from the man himself! TODD VAUGHN, I want you personally to give me a good reason why you removed it, and "it breaks the game/your not supposed to play that way" isn't going to cut it. So TODD VAUGHN, are you up for it?

Who the heck is Todd Vaughn?

And the real answer: the duplication bug was a bug. Bethesda has not always had an amazing track record with bugs, but there is absolutely no denying that they've put a concerted effort into Fallout 4. It was by far the most bug free release of one of their open world RPGs that I've ever seen.

And just be patient. When mods come to consoles in the coming months, there will be a million and one "give me every item and every gun does 1000 damage."

EDIT: nvm, I got it; you're plugging that dude's youtube channel. Please note that this is borderline spam.

Nice man loved that video..just goes to show that even PC players think it's dumb that they are doing that and realize it's not right for PC players to be able to do it and not console players

Yet another one of these threads. Seriously, staaahp already.

I play F4 since release and they changed so many things , i do suspect them for tangling around with legendary drops the most fun for me was loot locking and i bet my hand they changed drop staus on gear and weapons .

they propably just played a couple of youtube vids and changed all the stuff people were doing ...thanks for ruining my experience

Did you even watch the video?

and second having a mod too add materials too a workbench.....were,s the fun in that HUH

and i dont want a mod too add legendary effects too a weapon were,s the fun in that ??? no i want too grind for it mods for just adding stuff is Boring plain stupid

I haven't even touched the game since this last update and even though I just bought the season pass, I have no interest in playing it again because this really felt like a personal attack. It was something that was optional. They didn't have to do this.

I know it's trivial and I know I sound like I'm going overboard, but they could have waited until mods came out for consoles users.

It's bad enough they stole our money by selling us broken products (Fallout 3, New Vegas, and all the DLC that went along with them) that didn't work as advertised on consoles, but this, this was [censored]. They didn't have to do this.

I guess this is the thanks we get for giving them $750,000,000.00 dollars in the first 24 hours for the game.

Yeah, leave F3 and NV broken so we can't finish the games on console and take away the only thing that made F4 fun after several hundred hours of gameplay.

Good job guys.

Thanks a lot.

Nah, keep fixing bugs and glitches, including dupes and what not.

Only someone who's never been personally attacked could call the fixing of a glitch a "personal attack."

Thank you, someone agreeing. I also agree completely with all the words.

I think we went almost a week.

OP, console players are their biggest user base. They're not favoring PC players, the bug was fixed on their end as well. It's just not as apparent as they have access to console commands... which isn't favoritism either. You also have every right to deny the latest patch. If you're someone who actively enjoys exploits (glitches), you shouldn't have your console set up to auto update. If you plan to follow the game into all the dlc they have planned... well, get the [censored] over it.

Agreed. And I'm a console player.

Statement : Bethesda supports PC more than Consoles!

Ummm... Yeah, seeing as that's how they really made it to where they are.

That said, the concept of any developer "owing" the PC userbase anything, really needs to die. I've seen it before, PC gamers in uproar that a developer has BETRAYED them and that the developer must "atone for their sins" or "be punished"! I imagine Bethesda has seen that kind of crap before tbh.

Also, consoles have started to earn Bethesda a load of money. This, however, is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, they're putting more effort into their console releases, which is awesome. On the other hand, the concept of "it's a business, first and foremost" is a toxic attitude imo. If any creative endeavour devolves into being solely motivated by capitalism, then the creativity slowly dies. EA have done this countless times to multiple studios. It also explains the commonly held belief of "infighting" between developers and publishers. It's the nature of the beast, but so long as the developers have a voice, creativity should continue to be a priority.

That's why you see super-stressed developers and you see them calling it a "balancing act" or a hellish nightmare. It's a real passion that drives people to create anything, but it's so much worse when you have some money men on your back trying to make you cut costs (and content) and ship it asap.

So, all in all, yes, Bethesda have favoured PC gamers for years, but it's slowly becoming a more balanced attitude and mod support for consoles will do even more to bring fair treatment to all gamers, irrespective of which platform you play on.

As for that glitch, it's a glitch. It's something broken on their side of the game and they will (and should) fix it. That's their job. Secondly, it really doesn't matter at all. PC gamers being able to mod their games however they like (with whatever content they like) is something I hope lasts forever. I'm contented to be a console peasant at the moment (in all honesty, the Wii U has been a better console than my Xbox One), but we'll get a lot of the stuff PC gamers are getting when Mod support hits, so it's all kind of a pointless argument.

I saw this thread pop up and prayed people would just ignore it lmao, oh well. To the top of the page I say.

- cannot enjoy vanilla game content (settlement) without abusing bug?

- jumps on youtuber's bandwagon as if making youtube vids immediatly gives you status of guruship?

- talking "ifeelpersonallyoffended"-[censored] on BGS for just ..fixing bugs xD

Self-centered autistic console peasant confirmed, I bet you are some strong independant vegan lisbian woman from the interwebs or some triggered up [censored].

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Blame the people that complain about the completely optional glitches in the first place. Bethesda's just listening to a vocal part of the fanbase like any company should. Those of us that like the option to glitch just need to get more vocal ourselves, and do it in a mature way or it will rightfully be ignored.

@zwetlander

That was a bit uncalled for, and extremely offensive.

The reason they removed it is right there in the name - it was a glitch. Presumably, an easier-to-fix glitch than those others you mentioned.

Glitches, no matter if they result in cheats or not, should always be fixed if practical.

Don't feed the poor Consul Troll.

...Usually we complain that there's too many gltiches and exploits, but when they do patch them, people complain that the wrong glitch/exploit was patched. Like, make up your mind.

Like...Oh no, you have to actually go out there and explore and salvage materials? Like the game was intended to be played? The absolute horror!

First off, [censored] YOU YOU [censored] [censored]! Should have you BANNED for that.


Second, I'm allowed to voice my opinion on here.


Third, we should be allowed to decide which patches get installed.


Fourth, I'm allowed to use a glitch that DOESNT BREAK THE GAME, AND HAS NO NEGATIVE SIDE AFFECTS!

Well, if this wasn't going to get locked before, it most certainly will now.

You're right, you are, but you're also welcome to our feedback...which is also our opinions on the matter.

For as long as I've been a console player, I've never seen it where I could hand pick a patch.

I'll admit, dropping a few curses made me feel a lot better, calmer. If I offendedd I'm sorry.


But it would be nice to pick and choose which patches get downloaded.


Tbh, originally made this thread when I was already ticked off, kinda am an a hole when I don't eat or sleep.

Yes you are, but Beth is also allowed to fix 'their' software. Besides, as others have pointed out many many times, that glitch may have been a side effect of a more serious bug.