Bethesda wants to bring Skyrim mods to Consoles

Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:06 am

You're obviously a PC hugger,that does not wish to share a better game experience with everyone else. Sad really. It's not set in stone either,but what's the harm in it,if everyone get's to enjoy extra content. I'm getting a little sick of the attitude towards consoles and console user's. It seems no matter what you PC user's always have something to complain about....if you like shooting yourselves in the foot....go ahead,good luck to you.


When you play a game on a closed system like a console/console network, you give up certain freedoms. PC users aren't to blame, its the bureaucracy, greed, and litigation associated with corporations that are to blame for the limitations you endure on a system with such tight controls on your experience. If mods are subjugated by that system, something free and beautiful can be lost. Its like saying that all animals should be captured and kept in zoos, not to protect endangered species and promote research, but ALL animals should be put in cages just so that a wider number of humans can enjoy them instead of only the intrepid folks who would go out on safari to see them.

I don't think anyone WANTS you to be limited because you use a console, but you are a hypocrite if you say that something better for you is worth someone else having their experience diminished, and then blaming other people for saying the same thing. Only, from the PC users perspective, something free and creative is in danger of being caged and castrated. IF console users can have what PC users can have without destroying the beautiful freedom and creativity mods bring, I'm all for it... I just don't see that happening.
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When you play a game on a closed system like a console/console network, you give up certain freedoms. PC users aren't to blame, its the bureaucracy, greed, and litigation associated with corporations that are to blame for the limitations you endure on a system with such tight controls on your experience. If mods are subjugated by that system, something free and beautiful can be lost. Its like saying that all animals should be captured and kept in zoos, not to protect endangered species and promote research, but ALL animals should be put in cages just so that a wider number of humans can enjoy them instead of only the intrepid folks who would go out on safari to see them.

I don't think anyone WANTS you to be limited because you use a console, but you are a hypocrite if you say that something better for you is worth someone else having their experience diminished, and then blaming other people for saying the same thing. Only, from the PC users perspective, something free and creative is in danger of being caged and castrated. IF console users can have what PC users can have without destroying the beautiful freedom and creativity mods bring, I'm all for it... I just don't see that happening.


Put it this way,if it wasn't for console's eventually you may not even have an elder scrolls game. You don't bite the hand that feeds.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:25 am

When you play a game on a closed system like a console/console network, you give up certain freedoms. PC users aren't to blame, its the bureaucracy, greed, and litigation associated with corporations that are to blame for the limitations you endure on a system with such tight controls on your experience. If mods are subjugated by that system, something free and beautiful can be lost. Its like saying that all animals should be captured and kept in zoos, not to protect endangered species and promote research, but ALL animals should be put in cages just so that a wider number of humans can enjoy them instead of only the intrepid folks who would go out on safari to see them.

I don't think anyone WANTS you to be limited because you use a console, but you are a hypocrite if you say that something better for you is worth someone else having their experience diminished, and then blaming other people for saying the same thing. Only, from the PC users perspective, something free and creative is in danger of being caged and castrated. IF console users can have what PC users can have without destroying the beautiful freedom and creativity mods bring, I'm all for it... I just don't see that happening.



how would pc users and their mods be harmed if this comes to fruition? consoles would have strict/limited methods on how mods would be implemented and used but the pc community would still have their freedom due to the absence of those said limitations, at least that's the way i see it.
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:48 pm

Put it this way,if it wasn't for console's eventually you may not even have an elder scrolls game. You don't bite the hand that feeds.


And this is not a good thing. Now that I know what the TES experience can be, and was clearly originally intended to be by the devs, with freely created PC mods, the moment that it is not released and fully supported with mods for the PC, I will no longer buy any new games made for the series. You can sit nicely in your cage in the zoo all you want and not bite the hand that is feeding you, but some of us would like to be as free as can be in this sad sad world and avoid as much as possible the tedious and limiting nature of corporate interest bogging down our enjoyment and freedoms. Play on console all you want, but when you do, know that you are willingly putting your experiences in the zoo.
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:19 pm

Put it this way,if it wasn't for console's eventually you may not even have an elder scrolls game. You don't bite the hand that feeds.


/shrug If it wasn't for consoles games might actually be developed to take advantage of the PC's superior capabilities. The PC platform is still quite strong even with the existence of platforms and would only be doing better without them. Heck, if this were the case we might not even need to rely on mods to bring a true PC experience to the games we play.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:41 am

Would be nice to get mods for consoles! I just hope they won't go and sacrifice complexity of Creation Kit so that we could only mod things that the consoles can handle. That would be a disaster IMO.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:39 am

And this is not a good thing. Now that I know what the TES experience can be, and was clearly originally intended to be by the devs, with freely created PC mods, the moment that it is not released and fully supported with mods for the PC, I will no longer buy any new games made for the series. You can sit nicely in your cage in the zoo all you want and not bite the hand that is feeding you, but some of us would like to be as free as can be in this sad sad world and avoid as much as possible the tedious and limiting nature of corporate interest bogging down our enjoyment and freedoms. Play on console all you want, but when you do, know that you are willingly putting your experiences in the zoo.

The reason they are even thinking about it is because of the massive sales of consoles.It may never happen,but i bet will on the next gen consoles. I don't understand the agression to console user's.It's pathetic. If you was running a business would you miss out on massive sales?....it wouldn't get you very far if you did. I sense a whiff of jealousy here,because consoles are getting more popular,and are able to do more things. I'm glad your happy with your platform,but why should others miss out,if something like that is possible.
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:16 pm

It's pretty obvious that all the negative comments about this are coming from PC users.Grow up and stop being so selfish.This is something great for console players to get excited about.We have been dreaming of this for a long time and now it may become a reality.Not sure why PC users even care to comment,seeing how they will be getting mods no matter what anyway.
I thought we were all TES fans here,why would you not want other people to be happy?
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:15 pm

I remember back in the day Bioware issued a "best of the community" compilation for download. I think it's purpose was largely to encourage compatibility among folks who wanted to play on persistent worlds, but it might be possible for Bethesda to issue a similar compilation for consoles--priced to cover costs but not to profit off modders work. That wouldn't address console players desires for mods early on or on an on-going basis, but it might be a way to keep their experience fresher and add some new choices. Naturally, modders would need to consent to their creations being included and Bethesda should probably screen for compatibility (mods in the compilation shouldn't conflict with each other and shouldn't overly tax the capabilities of consoles), but I can imagine a fun collection could be put together even under those limitations. After the way Francesco "saved" Oblivion for me, I'd like all players to have at least limited mod access.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:41 am

The point you are missing, is that to give mods to consoles is almost certainly handing over a free platform of creativity to a litigious and bureaucratic corporate interest. IF the creative freedoms of modders and the limitless nature of what can be created is preserved while also allowing console users access, great. That is almost impossible to imagine though. The fact that so many people are buying console games and not PC games is the same reason that so many people eat fast food. Is it better for you? No. Its more convenient and cheap, but a watering down of quality and variety, not because there is anything wrong with you as a player or even the hardware... I want you to be free too. The limitation comes from everything being made mediocre and bland for the sake of ensuring everyone has a nice neat "same meal" and to rake the cash in as best as possible instead of everyone getting a better product. That is the problem... now, again, if we can have our cake and eat it too, consoles have mods and freedoms are not restricted, great... but... yeah...
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:57 am

Yes I'm aware, but i just think modders will sometimes (now way more often than before at least) limit themselves to make a quality mod that's console compatible, kinda like how Bethesda is limiting themselves to make Skyrim look the same on all platforms.

^of course this is only if consoles actually do get mods.


To the folks asking why some people are against the idea? That quote right there. That is why I would be against consoles getting mods. The word quality in his post should be in finger quotes. " "
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:47 am

The point you are missing, is that to give mods to consoles is almost certainly handing over a free platform of creativity to a litigious and bureaucratic corporate interest. IF the creative freedoms of modders and the limitless nature of what can be created is preserved while also allowing console users access, great. That is almost impossible to imagine though. The fact that so many people are buying console games and not PC games is the same reason that so many people eat fast food. Is it better for you? No. Its more convenient and cheap, but a watering down of quality and variety, not because there is anything wrong with you as a player or even the hardware... I want you to be free too. The limitation comes from everything being made mediocre and bland for the sake of ensuring everyone has a nice neat "same meal" and to rake the cash in as best as possible instead of everyone getting a better product. That is the problem... now, again, if we can have our cake and eat it too, consoles have mods and freedoms are not restricted, great... but... yeah...

Gaming and fast food...really?....what a stupid comparision.....i give up. We'll see where it goes,in the mean time,let console user's dream about the fact it could happen.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:55 am

Gaming and fast food...really?....what a stupid comparision.....i give up. We'll see where it goes,in the mean time,let console user's dream about the fact it could happen.


Its not a stupid comparison, but to simply says something is stupid without offering a coherent argument as to why adds nothing to the debate.

Console gaming is similar to fast food in that both are designed to be convenient, seem cheaper on the surface but actually cost just as much for most people, and rake in the cash for the lowest quality items the public will stand for. The companies that provide these products are creating a uniform, "one world, one taste", highly controlled and mass produced product for people who don't want to put any investment into the product, but just grab and go, plug and play. If you are happy with what is offered to you by the company, then you are welcome to it. But when fast food restaurants are put up in where of mom and pop shops with great food and atmosphere are being torn down, then we have a problem. The anology is perfectly sound, you just don't like what I'm saying and disagree... fine, but it doesn't make my argument stupid.
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Its not a stupid comparison, but to simply says something is stupid without offering a coherent argument as to why adds nothing to the debate.

Console gaming is similar to fast food in that both are designed to be convenient, seem cheaper on the surface but actually cost just as much for most people, and rake in the cash for the lowest quality items the public will stand for. The companies that provide these products are creating a uniform, "one world, one taste", highly controlled and mass produced product for people who don't want to put any investment into the product, but just grab and go, plug and play. If you are happy with what is offered to you by the company, then you are welcome to it. But when fast food restaurants are put up in where of mom and pop shops with great food and atmosphere are being torn down, then we have a problem. The anology is perfectly sound, you just don't like what I'm saying and disagree... fine, but it doesn't make my argument stupid.


I'm done with the matter,quite frankly. Like i said it's not set in stone,but at least gives console user's a little hope of extra things,where is the harm in that.
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:59 pm

I'm done with the matter,quite frankly. Like i said it's not set in stone,but at least gives console user's a little hope of extra things,where is the harm in that.
Jealousy will get you know where fast.


It doesn't seem like you are done with the matter if you keep posting... but in any case, jealousy is not the appropriate condition to apply to my argument. I'm no more jealous of you playing on a console than someone eating Filet Mignon is jealous of someone eating McNuggets. I just don't want my restaurant torn down to put up another place to get nuggets. That isn't jealousy, that is fear of the impending doom of the culture and quality. You won't get Filet Mignon mods on consoles, you will get maybe some chicken strips from some Friday's type of place, so you are killing the high quality to get mediocre instead of poor. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. I don't want something beautiful destroyed for the sake of giving people a few more scraps.

Oh yeah, and by the way, the hand that is feeding you when it comes to mods are the PC users who can actually make the mods anyway...
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:02 am

If it works out then great. The only reason we make mods is because they are enjoyable and the only real reward we get is the pleasure in knowing people are using a product we've invested time in. If opening that up to consoles means that there are more people who can enjoy our mods then I know I and I suspect other modders would be happy for that to happen.

My only worry is that opening it up to a wider audience opens the modder up to a greater potential for backlash. Most commentators on the mod's thread comment politefully and respectfully, but some people just don't like the mod and insult the modder if they don't. I'm fairly certain its a safe bet there will be even more console users who act undiplomatically than the current small amount of PC players.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:39 am

Hopeful, but not expectant. Would be so great though.
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:31 pm

I really want it to happen, but the chances are like 100000/1
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:44 am

That's not even remotely necessary because the CK can never be used on the console. Seriously you people need to stop this alarmist BS already.

Im saying that a lot of mods cannot even run on a console, look back in the thread, others have posted reasons why. I just dont want them to gimp the construction set in any way to accommodate for the limitations of what the consoles can and cannot run. If they leave the CS (CK w/e) how they would originally have it and bring mods to consoles then by all means do it, otherwise I'd rather not, the loss in flexibility in mods that we can create is not worth it.
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:21 am

Im saying that a lot of mods cannot even run on a console, look back in the thread, others have posted reasons why. I just dont want them to gimp the construction set in any way to accommodate for the limitations of what the consoles can and cannot run. If they leave the CS (CK w/e) how they would originally have it and bring mods to consoles then by all means do it, otherwise I'd rather not, the loss in flexibility in mods that we can create is not worth it.

Think of it this way. Did they gimp the construction set in any way to accomodate the limitations of what low end PCs can and can not run?
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:06 am

OMG this would be amazing.... The consoles won't have texture packs but, we'll have new armor and areas.. Hopefully someone makes another Archeology Guild.. That was fun.... Only problem is, is that, when you download mod for Oblivion, if you want to get rid of it, don't you have to delete the game....
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:22 pm

Getting mods on console would be just about the worst best thing I could imagine happening to Skyrim since mods are such a huge part of my enjoyment in Oblivion.

I got that for you.

Why does everyone assume that PC will be affected? Negatively changing the PC's mod experience is an awful move.... so, let's assume Bethesda will do that??

What if instead of dumbing down your ck, they had a dumbed down ck for consoles. So, you guys won't be involved in the process at all. So, just sit back enjoy your mods and cheer for us, who are finally getting some mini mods! :celebration: (Assuming this happens... which I highly doubt. Maybe for TES VI).
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:14 am

Brilliant idea,Todd ! BRILLIANT! I really hope they can do this !
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Post » Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:24 pm

I find it hard to believe, and a bit silly, that a lot of people have something against this. It's almost as if PC users have this elitism attitude towards their mods that they can use. It's ridiculous.
Seriously, get over yourself. What do you, as a fan, have against letting console users enjoy mods too? Are console users "less" of a player than you? Do you think just because you have a gaming rig that can run high end games makes you "baller" or something? I mean, those are real questions, because I don't get it.
Last time I checked, and I checked recently, console users outweighed PC users as far as TES games goes by quite a large margin. :rolleyes:
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Post » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:17 am

Think of it this way. Did they gimp the construction set in any way to accomodate the limitations of what low end PCs can and can not run?


Its not the same thing. Consoles aren't just low end PCs, but they have restrictive file exploration interface, security issues, and many other limitations. Just to get mods used on OB to run, there are at least half a dozen programs not written by BGS that you have to install and learn how to use that had to be created by benevolent third parties. The need for these programs was realized as people created mods, not before, so BGS, MS, and Sony can't develop a way for all that to be done ahead of time for the mods release... its something that evolves over time. The tools grow and are released with new capabilities as the mod community comes to need them and the programmers (doing the work out of the goodness of their hearts/because they want to) make them ad hoc as needs arise.

Its not because of hardware alone by any stretch that consoles have an inherent nature to limit a system of mods.

I find it hard to believe, and a bit silly, that a lot of people have something against this. It's almost as if PC users have this elitism attitude towards their mods that they can use. It's ridiculous.
Seriously, get over yourself. What do you, as a fan, have against letting console users enjoy mods too? Are console users "less" of a player than you? Do you think just because you have a gaming rig that can run high end games makes you "baller" or something? I mean, those are real questions, because I don't get it.
Last time I checked, and I checked recently, console users outweighed PC users as far as TES games goes by quite a large margin. :rolleyes:
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No... just no. People with mod experience are saying that IF it could be done without limiting the freedom of what can be created GREAT! The problem is, that those of us who have used mods understand how they work, and see extreme likelihood that to make it possible for it to be on consoles, it would break the freedom and creativity possible in the system. Every console user who is saying that PC users should be willing to give up the freedom and goodness that is the state of modding today so that console users can have a pale shadow of it, and then saying that PC users are just selfish hogs are extreme hypocrites. You want US to give up the full goodness of mods so you can have a small taste. If we can both have the full taste, then I'm all for it, but if it diminishes it, then NO.
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