[Shirley BEltran]

Do people not realize that when they buy a console they are paying for a PC that would cost $100 today?

An exaggeration, but I agree with the sentiment... the games for the consoles put out today could also have been run on computers 5 years ago too if the focus was on PC dev.

[Shiarra Curtis]

You say "this x1000" but then proceed to bash PC players as being elitist, and then proceed to say that nobody on consoles is like that. How terribly hypocritical.
Also flaunting your platform of choice in every post is unnecessary and it doesn't give you the rigt to do the very thing you seem to think PC players are so guilty of.

Eh? Come again? I'm talking about PC players being elitist. That doesn't make me an elitist console player. Try again. And I'm not "bashing" PC players. The PC players are the ones doing the "bashing" in this thread, if you want to put it that way. :goodjob:

[Milad Hajipour]

This thread is baaad karma.

[~Sylvia~]

Eh? Come again? I'm talking about PC players being elitist. That doesn't make me an elitist console player. Try again. And I'm not "bashing" PC players. The PC players are the ones doing the "bashing" in this thread, if you want to put it that way. :goodjob:

I'm an elitist PC player, console players have nothing to be elitist about. Their hardware and games are outdated, their interface is an archaic version of ours. Facts.

[John N]

If we were talking about Oblivion, I would gladly pay a little extra for any one of the following mods or mod support apps, which have made the game orders of magnitude more fun to play:

OBGEv2
Qarl's hi res textures
OOO
Fran's
MMM
FCOM
Bananasplit's Better Cities
TNR
OBSE
Real Hunger
Real Thirst
Real Sleep Extended
Duke Patrick's Combat Archery
HGEC
Ren's
WryeBash/OBMM

I wouldn't.... But i believe that sometimes making something isn't about money.. It's about you accomplishing something... If you want to pay for mods then keep whining, they might just force it upon us...

[Doniesha World]

wow.........just wow...You never stop Shino. not even limited to this thread

hey hey check this out.


They can't regulate what we make, but they can regulate what goes online on PSN/XBL as well as what accesses their consoles, you start bringing in 3rd party scripts and talking about "hacking" the console, you will be Godsmacked by Sony and Microsoft. you saw what happend we people unlocked/modded back on the explicit content in San andreas? or the unrendered mammaries in Oblivion? yeah expect that x100, the results I mean.

Who says it needs to be on XBL?

[LittleMiss]

I'm an elitist PC player, console players have nothing to be elitist about. Their hardware and games are outdated, their interface is an archaic version of ours. Facts.

And..who's arguing those points?
But, let's be clear on something: Stating those facts that you just did doesn't make you an elitist PC player.
An elitist PC player is someone who thinks that they are better than someone who plays on a console, and that console users don't "deserve" the luxuries of a PC user, SIMPLY because they aren't on the PC.
Also, although your sentiments are correct, you are hugely exaggerating. "Archaic"? Really? Last time I checked, an Xbox 360 didn't run on a DOS system. That's what I would consider "archaic".

[Alexis Estrada]

Who says it needs to be on XBL?

Where in the hell else are they going to put these mods up for download?

They're certainly not going to allow you to browse the internet yourself, head to the Skyrim Nexus, download the .esm/.esp, and modify the Data folder on your own.

[Miss Hayley]

Well what should be happening right now is MS and Sony trying to find out if one of them came out with the means to implement modding on their console, and the other didn't, if they'd allow it on PC and one console right away. Both consoles are sort of balanced in different ways, but adding the ability to mod games on one of them would tip the scales for sure. There would be no question in my mind which console would be better if one of them had the ability to mod games.

[Courtney Foren]

If it comes to consoles great ill use it if not oh well i respect all PC moders because i can't mod :banghead:

[Harry Leon]

I think mods on the consoles would be a brilliant asset to the games. When you look at all the stuff you can improve on on the PC version of Oblivion, imagine being able to do that on your PS3? [censored] would rule

[trisha punch]

And..who's arguing those points?
But, let's be clear on something: Stating those facts that you just did doesn't make you an elitist PC player.
An elitist PC player is someone who thinks that they are better than someone who plays on a console, and that console users don't "deserve" the luxuries of a PC user, SIMPLY because they aren't on the PC.

Who has said this? You are reading things between the lines that aren't there. The players aren't the problem, its the system and the companies that are willing to reduce things to the lowest common denominator that are the problem. No individual person can be said to be a lesser player because they use a console. The console medium is simply a lesser platform and with extreme levels of control in a closed system with inferior hardware. These things all breed an inferior product, not an inferior person playing said product. Its not about the player being elite for having a system, it is about the system itself being better. More focus on a better system would produce better results, and focusing on the lesser system is watering down the results, not watering down people's worth as humans...

[Everardo Montano]

Who has said this? You are reading things between the lines that aren't there. The players aren't the problem, its the system and the companies that are willing to reduce things to the lowest common denominator that are the problem. No individual person can be said to be a lesser player because they use a console. The console medium is simply a lesser platform and with extreme levels of control in a closed system with inferior hardware. These things all breed an inferior product, not an inferior person playing said product. Its not about the player being elite for having a system, it is about the system itself being better. More focus on a better system would produce better results, and focusing on the lesser system is watering down the results, not watering down people's worth as humans...

Who cares if the PC is a "better system"? More users are on consoles. A lot more. Proven fact.
Better system doesn't = most players.
But I digress; that's not even what this is about.

[Johnny]

Where in the hell else are they going to put these mods up for download?

They're certainly not going to allow you to browse the internet yourself, head to the Skyrim Nexus, download the .esm/.esp, and modify the Data folder on your own.

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=vVevTbCKIdCK8AOmuYq6AQ&gl=gb&hl=en&q=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3D70Nxi0Wjjps&source=android-browser-type&ved=0CBkQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHdDTB6tYan7GsSDsDS9G8RapjcYw

[Victoria Bartel]

Who cares if the PC is a "better system"? More users are on consoles. A lot more. Proven fact.
Better system doesn't = most players.
But I digress; that's not even what this is about.

It is what its about. Exactly, more people use it doesn't make it better. That is entirely the problem. Its up to the powers that be, the devs, the large corporations to provide the product. If they decide that they can get most people to settle for less for convenience or whatever other reason, they will do the least work to get the most profit. It is a reductionist model that only benefits the company, and not the consumer. I don't blame the individuals in our society for becoming more prone to plug and play, quick and dirty movies with little substance, and fast food... it is the fault of our culture as a whole. A console gamer isn't a lesser person, they are partaking in a lesser medium, and because money and numbers do talk, by supporting that lesser medium that is being offered, they are indirectly giving even more go ahead and direction to the company to water things down as much as possible. Its a two way street, but the villain is greed and pop culture, not the player.

[Sarah Edmunds]

You're arguing a point that I have no interest in, and you obviously can't see my side of the story. We're not even talking about the same thing at this point.
I dunno what to tell you honestly lol.

[Sophie Payne]

evilmog9999 is correct.
we don't want a Harrison Bergeron situation.
Instead, demand that the console producers make a much better console for you to purchase now.
Let's raise the bar, not lower it.

[Sammygirl500]

Console gamers deserve the same luxuries as PC gamers on the day that developers make games to their full potential for every system. Being a PC gamer, I should not have to deal with lack of support for the latest software (looking at you, dx11), let alone be handicapped by a user interface ported over from a console that functions terribly with a mouse.

Also most users are on consoles because the majority of the does not nor cares to understand the intricacies of using a computer. "OH MY GOD I have to edit a file, WHAT? I have to drag and drop this into my data folder, I don't even know what that IS!" It is not my intention to insinuate that PC gamers are more intelligent than console gamers, but they certainly are better at manipulating an operating system.

It is my personal experience that console gamers are much less mature, serious, and informed when it comes to issues in gaming, which is fine.

That may be your "personal opinion", and I would probably agree to some point, but not all are like that. Being both, I'd have to say I can see where you're coming from however.

[Rinceoir]

You're arguing a point that I have no interest in, and you obviously can't see my side of the story. We're not even talking about the same thing at this point.
I dunno what to tell you honestly lol.

I don't know if this an intentional attempt to deflect my statements above instead of address them purely for the sake of trying to "win" a debate instead of actually talk about the issues, or if you don't understand what I'm saying. What I am addressing above is DIRECTLY related to why developing things from a console-centered mindset is fundamentally problematic for the quality of the products the gaming industry produces. To control things and maximize profits, have more manageable expectations and deliver a more "expected" product to consumers, these companies are using consoles as a cage for what could otherwise be a much more free medium that pushes the boundaries and takes things to the next level with far more ease and creativity.

[!beef]

Console gamers deserve the same luxuries as PC gamers on the day that developers make games to their full potential for every system. Being a PC gamer, I should not have to deal with lack of support for the latest software (looking at you, dx11), let alone be handicapped by a user interface ported over from a console that functions terribly with a mouse.

Also most users are on consoles because the majority of them do not care to understand the intricacies of using a computer. "OH MY GOD I have to edit a file, WHAT? I have to drag and drop this into my data folder, I don't even know what that IS!" It is not my intention to insinuate that PC gamers are more intelligent than console gamers, but they certainly are better at manipulating an operating system.

It is my personal experience that console gamers are much less mature, serious, and informed when it comes to issues in gaming, which is fine.

.............sigh....



well, i'd say this thread is ripe for locking

[mollypop]

.............sigh....

Feel free to disagree with me, but first, head on to any game on xbox live and ask them if they know what regedit is, where their Program Files (x86) folder is, or how to properly install the latest version of a graphics driver.

Three simple tasks that are relatively important for casual PC users, not even gamers.

[Jessie Rae Brouillette]

http://www.google.com/m/url?client=ms-android-samsung&ei=vVevTbCKIdCK8AOmuYq6AQ&gl=gb&hl=en&q=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3D70Nxi0Wjjps&source=android-browser-type&ved=0CBkQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHdDTB6tYan7GsSDsDS9G8RapjcYw

that isnt even worth a cough of what you can do on Oblivion and subsequently Skyrim, and there is a massive reason Todd says "we have to talk to Microsoft about this"

[Sophh]

"we have to talk to Microsoft about this"

Exactly, because Microsoft will absolutely NOT allow for people to have the freedom to mod their games. If this even happens at all, it WILL be HEAVILY regulated on xbox live. And not for free...

[Amanda savory]

Feel free to disagree with me, but first, head on to any game on xbox live and ask them if they know what regedit is, where their Program Files (x86) folder is, or how to properly install the latest version of a graphics driver.

Three simple tasks that are relatively important for casual PC users, not even gamers.

knowledge isn't equivalent to maturity however. the reason most console players don't have that is due to one simple matter, that knowledge isn't needed when faced with an built specifically to be accessible to most people.
as one poster showed before, a method like the ps3's unreal tournament mods distribution system is preferable for consoles.

[Dragonz Dancer]

Feel free to disagree with me, but first, head on to any game on xbox live and ask them if they know what regedit is, where their Program Files (x86) folder is, or how to properly install the latest version of a graphics driver.

Three simple tasks that are relatively important for casual PC users, not even gamers.

You're saying people are less mature or more simple-minded if they don't know "simple" PC functions? What if they don't own or regularly use a PC? That's like saying any average person should know and be able to use the laws of sin, cosine, and tangent when they have never had any sort of education in trigonometry. By the way, I'm a console gamer, and I know/can do all three of the things you mentioned. Your argument is very flawed.