...you made my day^^

Statisticsbrain states that the ratio of people who bought Skyrim on PC v. console platforms is 14% to 86%. [ http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/ ] I have no idea where their date comes from, so I obviously cannot attest to the accuracy.

I've never played a console in my life but all my friends do. All of them (although some do have both). Some days I think I'm the last PC holdout.

One thing about PC players: They seem (my anecdotal experience) to play the game more and longer. I know I have more hours in Skyrim than most of my friends, some of whom have less than 50. I have over 400 and counting. And I still play. And I still mod. But neither of those things makes any money for Bethesda.

But Bethesda won't stop making the PC version, because even that 10% or 14% or 25% equals a lot of sales ... somewhere between $2 and $5 million (based on a $20 million sales figure) depending on which number you believe. That's a lot of money to walk away from.

Well if it is true that "PC is holding its own," (and I'll be honest here, I don't know whose numbers to believe . . . ) then complaints of "why you hating PC Bethesda?" seem more valid.

Having looked a bit more, I'm still not very confident of any of the numbers. I can make just a few observations from my own playing history that suggest some systematic sources of inaccuracy in the method used by Steam Gauge:

1. It appears that playing in offline mode (or with Friend status set to appear offline) might not record hours played in the same way that playing in fully visible online mode does.

2. Previous installs of Steam and Steam games apparently are not cumulative with current installs.

However, both of these forms of error would tend toward _under_ estimates for numbers for PC games. So at least the Steam Gauge/Steam.spy data are better and are reasonable "minimum" estimates, even if they are not perfectly accurate.

Yes +1, to the UI and the controls, seriously i should not have to plug in my controller to play and i advice anyone that has one to use it because its just better and feels better tan the keyboard+mouse mess, not even in DA:I i had to play with a controller with their console port garbage, well i actually tried but they were SOOOO stupid to not allow you to quick save with f5 when using a controller (the entire keyboard was disabled) not in this game thoug so you can still quick save with f5 etc.

I believe Steam doesn't release their sales figures, so games sold through Steam don't count toward the PC sales figures. That 14% only speak to the copies sold off retail shelves.

Taking this, which I think is true, into account, the PC would have a much higher claim in overall sales.

I actually found SkyUI to be worse with its tabs on top and confirmation buttons on the bottom. It was jarring to traverse the menus for me. And I find the UI from Skyrim and Fallout 4 to be just fine. Its nice and clear and tells me what I need to know.

Bethesda isn't expecting modders to fix things. That is just stupid. Occam's Razor would say that they are legitimately fine with their UI design, but it just doesn't sit well with you, so really it is YOUR problem to fix, not theirs. Why would they "fix" something that they see as being perfectly fine?

Ha!

As if that's everything. Bethesda have been hating PC users since Morrowind, sadly. This latest edition is the last step before Bethesda simply release tablet games and mobile- Oh wait.

Look at the love GTA V got on the PC, new play modes, 1st person, 3 pages of key bindings. The fact that this is a port is 100% irrelevant to the key binding topic. The Million+ copies they are going to sell on PC is not trivial either. If anyone says a million sales is not worth the efforts of implementing key binding, they just cannot see past their own console and should stay off these threads.

Not just "my" problem. A lot players have issues with the UI on PC's. But, i suppose you are right, we will fix it. Which is probably exactly what Bethesda figured. I can not believe anyone at Bethesda playing this on a PC at would say, "hey this UI is great!". It probably more like, "this UI is good enough. And the PC players will mod it anyway".

It's been that for a long while.

My thread is definitely not helping much in this regard. But the vast majority of PC gamers play their games raw

Another game that did a great PC port was Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor. Probably one of the best I've seen in a long time. Fun game too.

Yeah, a lot, but is it most? Unlikely.

Modders with "fix" it, just like they do with any game, but that doesn't mean it was messed up to begin with. Like I said, I find the UI to be just fine.

I have nothing against those that don't like the UI. Its your opinion about it. I just find it really... silly? That you people tout about how "terrible" it is like its the opinion of everyone.

IE like you said:

"Remember the PC UI for Skyrim? Horrible. And then, SkyUI (and SKSE) hit and everyone forgot about the [censored] PC UI"

It just makes you sound arrogant.

My biggest PC complaint is that they need to make a different button for bashing and grenade. Can't tell you how much times I killed myself throwing a grenade when all I wanted was to pistol whip the dude.

Yeah, I showed a detailed anolysis in another thread a week or two ago that showed that although PC sales of Skrim were only 14-15% of total sales, they actually made Bethesda almost the same profit per dollar as the PS3 version. The Xbox version made Bethesda almost the same amount by itself as Playstation and PC combined. Again, PC sales might account for more - Direman is right in saying that 14% is probably not including all digital PC sales.

Steamspy is showing that on Day 1, so far over 1 million PC copies of Fallout 4 are owned on Steam. More sales are sure to follow. I just did a live broadcast this morning of Fallout 4 to a few friends, just me running around Diamond City, getting into a couple of fights, playing some Pipboy games, etc. and at the end of the stream they were all rushing off to buy their own copy.

Yes, the PC UI svcks, but I disagree that it is HORRIBLE, and it is crazy to say Bethesda doesn't care about the PC community. One reason they've stuck with their current tech is to keep the modding scene they've grown over the last decade viable. The PC players is monetarily every bit as important to them as the Playstation players.

Sigh, guess this is going to dissappear into neverland as people argue about Target and Nuka-Cola's and ignore the glaring PC UI...

"...it is crazy to say Bethesda doesn't care about the PC community."

Yeah...that's why the simplest issues weren't addressed on release... Remember the speech "Other companies make games that svck, we won't do that." I think they shut off the camera before he added "...except on PC. Screw those people who bought F1 and F2 and propagated the brand name. We sold some copies of F3 on console, that's the wave of the future, baby!"

....21:9? Wth is that? Seriously, that's the first time I've ever seen someone mention that aspect ratio.

I suppose you just purposefully didn't read the next sentence I typed after that one.

Bethesda could make shiny, pretty games on PC and console if they sacrificed a few things like the reactive sandbox nature of their games, or the ability to support the largest modding community of any game company.

Not to mention the PC is the hardest platform to develop for, and although there are 19 pages of PC problems in the forums, there are 500,000 PC players in-game right now playing without issue. But, no, just wave your conspiracy flag and hyperbole about Bethesda twirling their mustaches and cackling.

Is an cumming resolution who gain more an more traction.

An wider screen has obvious benefit then gaming and it take up far less room than an two screen setup who can not be used for gaming anyway.

Except that it's not. I've worked as a QA Engineer on 31 titles over 17 years and the PC versions are almost always developed first and ported to console, paid for in large part by the console devs that want the title. When a game is developed for a proprietary console language first, there is no large PC company paying the developers to fix their game when coding back to PC.

I paid 60 bucks and I'd like to have the same experience as the console people who payed the same without trying to script my own mods to fix simple UI commands that should have been day one to a UI-shell coder. It's not "conspiracy" to say that Fallout 4 would not exist without PC users buying F1, F2, and F3, and the fact that each successive release gets progressively worse and more consolized obliterates the "hyperbole" statement. To hear console users talking about how wonderful the game is and Bethesda devs bragging that they never make mistakes is a slap in the face to the PC users struggling with the UI.

To be fair, this should have been posted in the PC section

And some people insist that its fine... wow. The really devoted fan meter is over 9000!!!!!

Well consoles are a no go for me because I just can't stand to play games at 30 FPS.
The problems mentioned in this tread are my biggest gripes about the game right now, why should my mouse emulate a controller ? Why can't I rebind the loot key ? Where can I adjust the FOV, or the Brightness?
It would have been nice to finally have a properly sized HUD on PC with customizations, or to have the graphical options in the game, not in a launcher, but they obviously made the game for consoles and didn't really bother enough to include these option. Bethesda probably thinks: "PC crowd can mod most of their issues away eventually, so why bother... "
*sigh*

Consoles also have some problems... Bugs, glitches, stutters and framerate drops which make aiming impossible sometimes.
The game is like a drug, you just can't stop playing it. The world is big, full of interesting locations and events...but there is no excuse for plenty of technical issues constantly ruining your game experience. Fallout 4 needs attention and patches on all platforms. It seems like Bethesda do not have qualified testers. Release state of the game is...ehm....ok, let's be honest - it's sh*t

And for me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY keyboard was a new one in another thread on the subject I was familiar with the ultra-wide screens though.

But come on, how is anyone surprised? They've been half-assing their PC ports since Oblivion. Which was the first game they developed for consoles concurrently with PCs And at least the problems are with UI and input instead of the actual engine.

Well, I'm playing on PS4 and haven't found one single serious bug in over 40 hours of play and also the game also crashed one time. What kind of bugs are you people always complaining about? But the part with the framerate drops is true unfortunately. It's really sad since the graphics aren't very good so I don't see why it lags so many times? But at least its better than F3