Bethesda, why are you taking the TES out of TES? : V - Skyrim

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:34 pm

Seriously, though, why do people spam these forums with complaints after complaints while shouting they won't buy it?

Because they are moles sent here by Bethesda's rivals to seed the community with discontent.

/conspiracy theory

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:23 pm

Actually I played both at depth, I think your views are very tainted by a common "syndrome" that old gamers get - you had a fantastic time with Morrowind and were probably at an impressionable age when you played it. It must have had such a profound impact on your expectations of RPGs that anything which Isn't Morrowind would not meet your expectations. I've seen that alot of times, same thing happens to football players as they get older too - the "Old Times" were always the best. But in reality this is false and absolutely does not represent what "Most people think".

I'm quite certain there are many players who started with Oblivion and will make the very same arguments about Skyrim, and like you will be here hacking away at TES 6 when it gets announced for the very same reason. I found plenty of choice in what I did with Oblivion, and the game engine was far more engaging and enjoyable than Morrowind was. You do not speak for the vast majority of anyone, this is just your (albiet very negative) view. Most of us simply don't share it, and prefer to give BGS the benefit of the doubt. But this is my own (albiet very positive) view on Skyrim and I set my expectations such that I know I will have a great time. Sure there will be some things missing and other things added, but I am never one to openly declare they know the game will svck before playing it. Its much more fun to envision that it will be awesome, and enjoy the hype as the game gets built.

yeah i reemember the knights of the old republic like the best rpg ever, and recently try to play again (after mass effect, dragon age, etc etcc) ... 3 minutes playing... dude this game svcks!

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:17 am

Not attacking you mate but.............

Morrowind: you are the pawn of the emperor who uses you to pretend to be the chosen one. But wait! You actually are the chosen one. You must stop a cult from helping a god from taking over the world. Unite the people then go defeat big bad guy! You did it! Morrowind is saved. Woooo

Oblivion: You start out as the chosen one this time! The emperor is murdered!

You must help the Blades stop a cult from helping a god destroy the world! Find the lost heir, get some ancient stuff, kill big bad guy cult leader! Then! Oh no, big bad god guy is here! Godzilla battle scene. World saved.

Pretty much any story can be boiled down to a cliche' Oblivion wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Their nostalgia goggles are just on too tight.

This.

Nicely put.

yeah i reemember the knights of the old republic like the best rpg ever, and recently try to play again (after mass effect, dragon age, etc etcc) ... 3 minutes playing... dude this game svcks!

Bethesda didn't make Knights of the Republic, I'm not speaking for Any other game studio other than Bethesda Game Studios. They have never dissapointed me yet, and I see no evidence to suggest they will now. This is just nostalgia talking.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:27 am

Pretty much this, exactly. Anyone who has played both Morrowind and Oblivion, and honestly believes the storyline of Oblivion and overall RPG feel of Oblivion was genuinely better than Morrowind, you are simply in the minority. Morrowind was a melting pot of culture and lore. Oblivion was horse riding in a stagnant, massive valley with a main storyline so black and white, not to mention cliche, that I saw the ending as soon as I started. Removing abilities in the game to "mainstream" it. RPG fans don't like that. 13 years old do, sure, but true RPG fans appreciate this thing called "choice" and the more choices, the better.
@Hresvelgr, please post where shouted, or said I wouldn't buy Skyrim.

And there we have it, ten pages of argument so the OP can say Morrowind is superior to Oblivion.

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:22 pm

The MQ, I will agree was just as cliche. What about factions?

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:39 pm

Not attacking you mate but.............

Morrowind: you are the pawn of the emperor who uses you to pretend to be the chosen one. But wait! You actually are the chosen one. You must stop a cult from helping a god from taking over the world. Unite the people then go defeat big bad guy! You did it! Morrowind is saved. Woooo

Oblivion: You start out as the chosen one this time! The emperor is murdered!

You must help the Blades stop a cult from helping a god destroy the world! Find the lost heir, get some ancient stuff, kill big bad guy cult leader! Then! Oh no, big bad god guy is here! Godzilla battle scene. World saved.

Pretty much any story can be boiled down to a cliche' Oblivion wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Their nostalgia goggles are just on too tight.

Edit* Fixed typo's :spotted owl:

Not only that, but if he played Oblivion first without such strong case of goggles he'd also notice the quests played out awfully similar, so if anything he's bashing Morrowind just as hard.

Finding the heir was the equivalent of determining you're the Nerevarine. Getting the tribes trust was the same as gaining the trust of the cities by closing gates. Giving up artifacts to gain access to the great gate and the piece of the Trueflame. And so on, and so on.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:34 am

I'm not speaking for Any other game studio other than Bethesda Game Studios.

Well that was relevant example he was making and for the record your speaking for yourself not Bethesda.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:37 am

lol Morrowinds Questsline was no where as simple as you made it out to be

Where Oblivion more or less had you fetching....yes fetching.

Morrowind made you prove your worth to most of the factions so you actually earned your name

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:04 am

Well that was relevant example he was making and for the record your speaking for yourself not Bethesda.

lol :facepalm: - I was talking ABOUT BGS, Obviously I don't speak for BGS.

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:39 pm

Yes, because every faction in Morrowind was, "THEY'RE SO EVIL!" and the quest was "EVIL DEMONZ!!!--Err DAEDRA FROM HELL!!!--Err the DEADLANDS ARE ATTACKING!"

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:32 am

POST LIMATAE?

well if you guys want to continue this thrilling debate how about the OP start a new one?

personally I'd wish it die, since another one of its type will just appear agian lol

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:35 am

The MQ, I will agree was just as cliche. What about factions?

:D Let me try and remember.......

Morrowind mages guild: Go find some herbs!... K. Go kill some dudes that are teaching magic but not mages guild members. Go find some dwemer stuff. OMG the guild leader is a moron? Kill that fool and take his place.

Oblivion mages guild: Go fetch some stuff to get into the arcane university, you made it! Go make your staff, OH NO! Necromancers killing everybody. The guild leader is a moron!? He sacrifices himself and you take his place.

Morrowind fighters guild: I honestly don't really remember the plot other than Eldys(sp?) fire-eye being crooked and working with the camona tong.

Oblivion fighters guild: The fighters guild is getting pwnd by another faction! You gotta find out what's up with that. Oh no! That faction is totally crooked and evil. Kill them and become the leader.

Morrowind morag tong: Walk up in the place and kill people. NO real plot. Then go fetch like 30 objects

Oblivion dark brotherhood: Go kill people, but wait! A member of the brotherhood is killing other members. An assassin among assassins?

he tricks you into killing innocent people... Oh no! Cyrodiil's brother hood is basically destroyed but you kill the traitor and become the leader.

Can't speak for the thieves guild as I never finished it in Morrowind.

Edit* My point is neither game is cliche' any story can be boiled down to look terrible or cliche'

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:54 am

lol :facepalm: - I was talking ABOUT BGS, Obviously I don't speak for BGS.

The person you quoted was giving an example of nostalgia based bias that was proven to be just that so it's was helping your argument. Chose your words more carefully, they can and will be used against you in your arguments.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:49 am

I think most veteran ES fans/players would agree with me that the dumbing down of the series to make more money is simply lame.

I've got to say, I think people forget that this game is their job. They need to make money so that the company prospers, and so they don't get downsized. We might want them to cater to the small minority, but I doubt the spouses of the developers would like to hear "We put out a game that the diehard fans love. Where's the newspaper Jobs section?"

It's unfortunate from our perspective, but they have to put out a game that will sell to the silent majority.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:48 am

Morrowind Mages' Guild=Mages' Guild.
Oblivion Mages' Guild=Necromancer-Hunters. You did what a Mages' Guild did in Morrowind

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:43 am

I think possibly with the success of games like The Whitcher and Dragon Age that possibly Bethesda is thinking of a more dramatic storyline where the player is more invovled with the story then wondering if you have the right spell or have enough levels to win a fight. In DA you could do the quests in any order but the storyline was far more scripted then Oblivion was. So I think possibly Bethesda is attempting to go that way with a far more engaging storyline like DA and probably The Whitcher 2, and personally I can't wait to see what they come up with because I really did like DA and The Witcher and I replayed them both quite a few times adding mods to them to make the game last longer.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:40 am

They........they took spell making??

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:03 am

Morrowind Mages' Guild=Mages' Guild.
Oblivion Mages' Guild=Necromancer-Hunters. You did what a Mages' Guild did in Morrowind

Arch Mage Traven's mages guild = necromancer hunters. Not everyone in the mages guild agreed with his views and keep in mind if you didn't stop the necromancers the king of worms would have been just as bad as Mankar Camoran. Trying to take over the world and kill everybody.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:04 am

They........they took spell making??

Rumor and wouldnt make sense when Enchanting is in AND IS A SKILL AGAIN.

I wonder if the mods get an automated email saying when a Thread is near the limit, they seem to -always catch a thread avg page 11 or 12 lol

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:20 am

After reading countless threads, viewing every scrap of information that I can find online about the next ES game, Skyrim, I am seriously worried, and concerned.
It appears that Bethesda is removing any scrap of TES from this serious, making it another Fable-esque hack 'n' slash adventure game, NOT an RPG. At least not an RPG as we know it, ala Morrowind.

I think most veteran ES fans/players would agree with me that the dumbing down of the series to make more money is simply lame.

"Oh, Bethesda can't be bothered to make other options than immersion breaking Fast Travel as the only viable means of traveling. They just don't have the time for that."
Um, then make the time? You are the developer of the series, your own gaming company. If you wanted to "take the time" to do this, you could.

Things like:
-The removal of any realistic transportation system
-The removal of Attributes
-The removal SPELL MAKING? REALLY?
-Some sources say that we can't even talk to all NPC's. (although this could be mistranslation)

These things really worry me. What's the next ES game going to be like? No storyline? No Mainquest? What else are you going to strip from the series during this "streamlining dumbing down" process in order to make more money?
Now, please do not take offense to this post, or take it as a hostile post. I'm quite calm. I'm just afraid that the only true, good RPG left out there is dying because the company wants to make it accessible to toddlers.
Please, post your thoughts.

The fast travel system has been in the game since Arena. We don't know if attributes are removed. As for the removal spell making, I think it was to stop people from exploiting the game too much. Don't make wild and stupid accusations until you played the game.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:03 am

Arch Mage Traven's mages guild = necromancer hunters. Not everyone in the mages guild agreed with his views and keep in mind if you didn't stop the necromancers the king of worms would have been just as bad as Mankar Camoran. Trying to take over the world and kill everybody.

They would've failed whent he legion got involved and the entire questline was about killing necromancers...

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:45 am

obviously OP was a troll. I mean come on, he said "the TES out of TES" does he not know that he just said the the elder scrolls out of the the elder scrolls?
If he doesnt know what the acronym TES is then hes a troll.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:39 am

Eh, I'm not impressed with what I've seen and heard, but neither I'm I particularly upset about anything.

I would have preferred Summerset Isle, though

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:03 am

Sorry, the shift from deep lore and plots (Morrowind) to shallow black and white plots and good graphics (Oblivion) has made us cautious.

Edit: See, I can say stuff fails too (like how you said those of us who are criticizing are wrong).

Read the back material to Oblivion, it becomes a lot more interesting.

Anyway, it's way past 200 posts.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:08 am

obviously OP was a troll. I mean come on, he said "the TES out of TES" does he not know that he just said the the elder scrolls out of the the elder scrolls?
If he doesnt know what the acronym TES is then hes a troll.

What part of "Taking the essence of The Elder Scrolls out of The Elder Scrolls" don't you understand..?