I have read through several posts concerning the bugs in GOTY, I have all of the mentioned problems and have started to get really pissed at them, The Pitt is almost completely unplayable. I'm concidering selling my copy of GOTY and buying the DLC via PSN, I bought Broken Steel and had no problems so maybe its the disc rather than the DLC. It seems to me that the Blu-Ray drive is reading the disc in overtime to try and get the data onto the screen and failing, could it be more of an issue with the way the data is coded on the disc rather than anything else?

Oh and Canada got a fix for all the issues right? But we as non Canadian gamers cant get that fix, I dont have the time right now to try it out but seeing as all games are region free on PS3 and assuming that the disc version i.e the letters/numbers on the spine of the box are the same everywhere has anyone tried registering a new PSN but the location set the Canada? And tried getting the patch that way?

I know you can do it and download US and Jap only demos etc on PSN as we all copnnect to the same servers.

I will try my theory out at the weekend as I will be away from home the next couple of days.

The Canadian fix is for save files, not bugs.

If they do not fix the issue and make my $60 game playable again, no I will not. I'll burn time on LOTRO instead.

If history has taught me anything, it's that "we have your money, boo hoo for you whining svckers, and see you the next time you want to spend money."

I guess it's time to move on.
No patch is coming from betty.
I just don't understand why, are they so lazy or the game itself runs perfect in their machines?
So far for ps3, can anyone tell me, how many game developers like betty neglects their damaged product and don't even try to fix it? What games?

Agreed. Here's the deal.

Times are tough, and software development isn't making a whole lot of money. Fixing this issue will cost a LOT of money for Bethesda that they won't ever recoup. What's the point? As far as they are concerned, their part ended when they shipped to the retailers. It's now between us and the retailer we bought it from. They're on to the next thing that can make a sale. If they lose a few customers along the way, who cares? There's a whole new market of gamers out there.

The thing that disappointed me is I expected more from them than this, which is the standard pathetic loser behavior that slacker companies exhibit and not one that dedicates themselves to putting themselves at the forefront of the market through innovation and excellence. The developers should be ashamed that they released something that is unplayable. Is that what you dreamed of when you became a software developer?

As for other examples, when the Orange Box hit the PS3 in 2007 the community complained about glitches, crashes, lag and quality problems. Responses from Valve and E.A: 0. Patches ever released to fix it: 0.

However, the issues I had with HL2: Orange Box are a complete tiptoe walk through a daisy filled park compared to the GOTY edition.

OK, that's enough complaining. Lesson learned. I am just sad that a game I had such a fondness for was reduced to this.

I am just sad that a game I had such a fondness for was reduced to this.


I feel the same way, but I don't think a fix is going to come, so I'm now playing other games.

I'm still going to play FO3 but it'll only be in short bursts so as to avoid as many problems as I can.

I don't know why people are writing a patch off already. It's been less than two months. These things can take time. Terminal Reality took several months to release a patch for the PS3 version of Ghostbusters, and that game only had a few glitches. Terminal Reality said not a word about patching the game before the patch was actually released. Conceivably, Bethesda could be doing exactly the same thing: quietly toiling away on a patch while we gnash our teeth at them.

I'm angry, and I've made it clear to Bethesda. But I live in hope.

That's certainly possible, but the track record of silence with certain issues doesn't help them. The original French-Canadian and apparently Polish version of Fallout 3 don't even have trophy patches. The game-breaking bugs of the original/GOTY still exist like Waters of Life freezes, Liberty Prime, or the Elder Lyons cutscene to name a few. These exist on 360 still as well. If you count the problems with the original, it's been more than a year.

Now, if you want to talk about the GOTY, then I guess you can give them the benefit of the doubt, but it seems like that would mainly be restricted to DLC issues, because if they address anything else, that would imply there are problems with the original that remain unfixed for a very long time.

At any rate, I don't see the harm in trying to put pressure on them. They're a professional game developer; I think they should be used to it by now.

It's a shame they never patched the vanilla version of the game, but at least it was mostly playable. I put in nearly 100 hours with less than 10 system-crashing freezes. It's annoying that it happens, but it was fairly infrequent. This new version of the game has some serious issues that need to be addressed, because it ought to be at least as playable as the vanilla release.



Same here.

I managed to play Operation Anchorage for about an hour and a half last night without any problems. I got through the first area perfectly fine, but the moment I reached the base camp and took control of an entire squad of troops, the game went ape. Glitching, freezing, locking up. I quit playing, rebooted the PS3, held down L2, R2 and Square during the booting up process (because it apparently clears the game's cache), and it went back to playing mostly okay again. Still freezes a bit, but at least it didn't crash the system again.

But that is akin to sitting in a restaurant, and being completely ignored by the wait staff. Have they seen me? Do they know I am here? Do they all think someone else is helping me?

A simple "Hi, I'll be right with you" goes a long way in those situations.

I played the the first PS3 Fallout 3 all the way through with no issues. When they announced the DLC for PS3 I decided to play a second time. When the GOTY vs was announced I skipped the DLC and purchased the game for a second time I was waiting at level 20 on the day the disc arrived. I now have a $110 or so wrapped up in two discs. I was excited to be able to continue playing the game it becomes somewhat repetetive but addicting. Right now I am at level 28 in normal mode with 156 hours into this round. Before hitting all the DLC ( I did anchorage and part of the broken steel add ons) I am trying to go to every location on the map before hitting Pitt, Lookout & Zeta). When I enter I buildings etc. never a lock up I have no problems at all. In the wasteland I experience lock ups and reboots. Usually I won't reboot unless the music stops. If the music is still playing it sometimes starts moving again over time I just hit my P button so it goes into the PS3 menu and I do something else for a minute. My first lock ups and slow downs were at Fort Independance trying to trade. This issue has something to do with the auto save so when I teleport there I wait a few seconds and then a jerk but no more reboots there. So far I am unable to acess Jalbert Waste or Bethesda Ruins at all everytime I get near either of these locations the game freezes and the music eventually stops and I have to reboot. It seems faster if I just pop out the disk and wait for the PS3 to reset than reboot with the on off button. I still have several more locations to visit but The game started acting goofy (slowing down on occasion etc) at around level 18. Right after installing GOTY at Fort Independance level 20 was my first real reboot lock up. Jalbert was my first locked out location at around level 22 now Bethesda at level 28. I have tried many times in different situations to access both but I just have to reboot. I just went through the entire Chryslus building without a problem. Took stuff back to Megaton three times from there no problem but shooting at an ant (not in VATS)in front of the building locked me up for a reboot. Not being able to enter locations on the map is really making me angry and frustrated. I am starting to feel ripped off for purchasing anythng more than the original disc (which I felt was too short).

Oh, I totally agree. I just think we ought not write off a patch just yet. If there's been not a peep two or three months from now, then I think we can take it as read that there will be nothing in the way of technical support from Bethesda (apart from the same stock e-mail they send every time you contact them). But it's still early days yet, and I imagine fixing this thing will take a little while.

THX GOD new vegas will be develop by Obsidian.

I bought the original game, the Broken Steel DLC, and the PS3 GOTY edition. And before that, every Morrowind and Oblivion product. After the PS3 GOTY crashfest, I am done with Bethesda games forever.

Even Morrowind in the early stages did not crash this much.

Hi, I've been playing the standard Fallout 3 and enjoying it for 150+ hours of 'virtually' problem free gameplay. I'd downloaded Broken Steel then opted to just get the GOTY edition to complete the remaining content. I'm using a 40GB PS3 and I have to say that the experience (Playing Operation Anchorage) has been disappointing from the perspective of suddenly enduring regular crashes that have occurred during gameplay. Reading other peoples horror stories, I feel additionally disheartened that there seems to be a general consensus of utter disillusionment that the GOTY version on the PS3 is a broken game. After making the investment of time in playing the original then the financial investment in purchasing additional content it is a great pity that the story has come to such a sorry end.

Reading other peoples frustrations suggests that many will simply abandon playing further on the strength of their annoyance that there hasn't been any official recognition of the growing wave of disgruntled players. I really do hope that Bethesda address this situation in a timely fashion. Even if it would take a month or two to issue a patch for the bugs, Bethesda would do well to have the decency to acknowledge and apologise for the inconveniences caused by this faulty product. I'd personally be prepared to wait however long (Within reason) for a patch as long as I knew it was being written if It then meant that I'd be able to have a working game in the end. If Bethesda thinks that it is somehow beyond the need to address its customers with explanations, It should remember the old adage that a reputation can take years to build yet moments to destroy. If these problems are not acknowledged or addressed I'll personally avoid buying anything from this publisher again.

I deleted all my saved games except for a fresh one at Megaton. I deleted all my other save games from other games except for a couple. I changed a couple of PS3 settings a something about running other progams and something else. Went to the Bethesda Ruins and several slow stops and starts (I thought it was going to lock up for sure) and I made it in. Once I made it into the Ruins at Bethesda no issues at all went back and forth to megaton a few times with loot. I still can't access Jalbert Waste the system locks up solid everytime. The lockups always happen in the wasteland although from what I hear the issues will intensify when I travel to the Pitt & Lookout. Funny thing I always have to hunt down roaming Sonora Cruz to pass on fingers to and have to take on Scorpions, Deathclaws and Raiders before I get to her since she left the HQ but never a lock up in that area is like being in a building. I never had a problem with Oblivion except for getting stuck in rocks etc then not being able to get out. I am going to try to access Jalbert at different difficulty levels and see if that makes a difference (I am playing on the normal setting). Hopefully a patch will surface if the issues continue. If not I just picked up Dragon Age and Demon Souls so if I get to frustrated I will just move on to them until Final Fantasy 13. Then write GOTY as a bad game purchase, usually when I do that it is because the game svcks and I don't purchase another game from that company no matter how good it is. This would be the first time I write one off due to frustration so I hope a patch comes out soon before I move on.

Just want to add my vote that something needs to be addressed by Bethesda.

I had purchased this game in the GOTY edition for my xbox 360 as my PS3 died around the same time I was planning to begin this game. I was and am still very excited to get into this game. It sat for a couple weeks as I was finishing Bioshock first. Before opening the game I thought to check out how it was doing in it's PS3 version as I am lucky enough to be able to choose the console that things tend to run smoother on for each title. I'm shocked at how the GOTY edition is running on the PS3. Enough so that I became concerned about the 360 version in my hands this morning.

After reading this entire thread and a few more at some other sites, I made a decision. Much as I want to get into this game, there are other games I am equally behind in having time to enjoy. Sometimes, speaking with your wallet can be effective, sometimes maybe not.

This time, I'm going to speak with mine. Thankfully I had the receipt for my copy of the game and I had not opened the shrink wrap yet. I just returned from obtaining a refund and returning this game.

YES, I returned the 360 version on this game because I feel that a lack of response from Bethesda is not a decent business practice and there are too many games I still haven't had time to play that I can play and at the same time, support more ethical developers. I know that my version may not have been laden with as many bugs, but I'm not going to give them my money for this game knowing how they are handling this issue with the PS3 version.

At least Bethesda could comment on being aware of the outcry. So, here's to one less sale. Not that I think it will matter, but I feel better at the moment. If there should be a fix issued or response to the outcry rather than the current silence, then I would still love to get into Fallout 3.

I will reserve judgment as to whether I will in the end repurchase this game based on Bethesda's handling of this issue to the PS3 Fallout 3 GOTY edition.

Cheers!

Just thought I would share a response I got from Bethesda from an e-mail support query I filed about the constant crashing and the possibility of getting my money refunded:

Thank you for your e-mail and feedback. Your e-mail has been sent to the tech folks who handle this. Any future updates and/or patches, and what they might include or address, would be determined by them. If we have any info on upcoming updates/patches, we'll release that info on the official web site and forums, so please check back there. Thanks again for your feedback, and thanks for playing our game.

Best Regards,
Xxx X. at Bethesda Softworks Technical Support

A tech support person telling me they've forwarded it to "tech folks"? I take that as a giant raspberry as my complaint is filed away in the circular file. This generally gives me the impression that no patch is forthcoming.

(Note my asking for a refund was completely ignored)

Excellent, although I am sorry you had to do that. I myself have passed on my story of Fallout GOTY to people at work (all gaming people) and one person actually said they would not ever buy anything from Bethesda.


Was this a problem of rushing to market? I am in the software business and I know what problems that can cause.

Good god, Bethesda really needs to get on a patch. Some of the glitches and bugs I stumbled across last night are simply appalling.

I managed to play through Operation Anchorage last night. The expansion is plagued with freezing, crashing, and bugs. Enemies were walking through solid walls, the game chugged and crashed when bombs were falling around the trenches, and when I finally beat the simulation and collected my reward, the Chinese Stealth Armor was glitched. When I put it on, my character model had no head. A bunch of black squares flickered all over the screen, and huge black swaths of nothing began to appear when I moved around.

I unequipped the armor, left the Outcast base, went home to Megaton, and tried again. Thankfully, the issues seemed to sort itself out after leaving the Outcast base -- I think my new combo will be the unique sword I got from the expansion and the Chinese Stealth Armor -- but good lord, there's no good excuse for this. The game has issues on all platforms, but it's practically broken on the PS3.

Then, when I went to Underworld to pick up Charon, I was standing next to a radio that was playing Galaxy News Radio. I'd not heard that 3 Dog segment before, so I turned on my Pop Boy's radio feature. When I left my menu screen, the two radios combined to create a fearsome rattling sound, and my console promptly crashed. This is an issue I never experienced in the vanilla release.

I only had a couple of lock ups in anchorage nothing major (which was boring anyhow). I'll be in the Pitt and Lookout soon, I need to clear out a few more wasteland areas. I was clearing inventory and grabbing stimpacks from Independence and it jerked and slowed down each time last night (three) I thought it was going to lock up. The auto save on or off did not make a difference. Once I traveled without armor to independence (trading outcast armor for stimpacks) it slowed and jerk later during the trading dialogue not when it usually does when I approached Casidan. West of 58 Power Station, East of Lamplight I lock up solid as a rock every time anywhere heading towards Jalbert. Once I was able to make it to the front entrance at Jalbert but now I can't even get close. Difficulty, armor config etc doesn't seem to make a difference. Most of the time I wear Hellfire Armor with a Gause, Vengeance or Plasma Rifle. .

First of all forgive me if this question belongs in another topic/thread, but I felt the people viewing/replying to this thread would be able to help me. Secondly the following is a hypothetical situation which I would prefer to avoid if somehow possible. So here's the question: If I were to buy the original/vanilla version of Fallout 3 for PS3 (which I understand has a few issues of its own, although I've heard at least one patch has been offered) and then buy all of the add-ons from the PS3 store, would I encounter the same issues as if I had bought the GOTY edition of Fallout 3 for PS3? It may be a dumb question and I'm no software engineer, but it's just an idea I had. Not that I want to spend an extra $20 (around $80 for original game + add-ons) compared to the GOTY ($60). And not that I don't think the issues with the GOTY edition should be addressed by Bethesda. I was just wondering if this was a possible way to avoid all the bugs/glitches/depression. Thank you for your time.

From what Ive seen on the forum GOTY and Original with add ons both encounter the same bugs with GOTY maybe having a few more unique bugs. I suppose a bonus with buying the add ons is you can remove them if anything serious happens you not stuck with them like GOTY whether thats worth $20 is very questionable. If you really want the game Id go for GOTY just to save that extra $20 on glitched DLC....

You must understand tho its far from perfect....

Thank you, I'll take that into account. The reason I even thought to find an alternative to the GOTY edition for PS3 is that it seems (from what I've read on these boards and elsewhere) that the glitches/bugs found in that version make it extremely frustrating & practically unplayable. It sounds like many of the problems occur while in areas associated with add-ons. I guess one could avoid the add-on content in the GOTY and just stay within the main story, but then what is the point of getting the GOTY? I've thought of getting the original Fallout 3 (with no additional content) for PS3 but I've also heard that it's also full of bugs/glitches.

I really love Fallout so I'm just trying to find the best way (if one is possible) to play it with my PS3. I'd appreciate any additional suggestions/comments.