When I first installed vanilla on my desktop (back when I had a GT220) I was in the 60-120 fps zone in the waterfront, though from memory water reflections were off. Better Cities, REAVWD and NPC adding mods soon fixed that though, down to about 15fps in the best spots, more like 10 most of the time, even with LOD disabled.

So yeah, its one weird spot...

Thanks for referring to the product of the last three years of my life as "a bunch of fluff". Any mod which adds new visual content will provide basically what you see in the videos of that mod, that's the whole point of a mod video, to show you what you'll get in-game. If the video did NOT show you what you would get in-game, how could it be a video of the mod?

If your computer couldn't handle the mod, that's fine, but there's no reason to make negative comments about it. Here again is something modders get tired of hearing: someone's computer or existing overly-modded game cannot handle a new mod, so rather than blame their computer or their mod setup, the player blames the newly installed mod and says something which upsets the modders who created it.



Why are you quoting what I wrote in the Better Cities readme to Arthmoor? He has nothing to do with Better Cities at all, and never has done, ever. Arthmoor is not saying that Better Cities doesn't affect FPS, he is saying that Open Cities Reborn/Classic does not affect FPS, as these are the mods he works on. You need to pull a quote from one of Arthmoor's Open Cities readmes relating to FPS.

Just want to throw in some positive comments

I have several installations and Oblivion and one is running with Better Cities (I started using Better Cities way back when it was only available in the german community)
and one with Open Cities Classic and one with Open Cities Reborn. And now the positive comment:

I LOVE THEM ALL! THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK PUT INTO THESE PROJECTS!!! :cookie:

I like the fact that the game feels completely different when changing the city layouts. So after a 100+ hour game with Better Cities changing to OCR or OCC changes the game and after
another game with 100+ hours going back to Better Cities. How many games do you know where you have the choice between such high-quality mods?

Actually, I'll pitch in in Better Cities defense here;



Why do I get the feeling that you were unhappy with the loss of performance so figured that the extra scenery wasn't important to you and ditched it...

Each to his own, but IMO the artistic work on those cities is easily of a professional level. Much of it is by Bananasplit, who is clearly one of the greatest worldscaping artists to have ever graced the Oblivion community. If extra scenery isn't what you're after in Oblivion that's fine, but disregarding it as a 'bunch of fluff' is hardly the right comment to make.



Were you expecting a huge quest secretly welded into the mod or something? Otherwise, what Vorians said.

I agree with these. Yeah my reply was insulting but that wasn't my intention and I'm sorry about that. Hope you'll forgive me.

Some additional info on my last post:
I built my computer in 2007 and Oblivion was the first game I bought for it. Vanilla ran pretty well, so decided to beef it up with some mods. I was new to the whole thing so I went on a modding binge and BC was one of the mods I decided to try. I was overconfident in my hardware and I had a flippant attitude towards all the mods that warned about decreased frame rates. I think part of the problem was my pride in my rig. It was the first computer I ever built, I bought all the parts with my own money that I had saved over the past year, and all that kinda stuff.

So to the OP: if you want the cities to look like the BC videos, go ahead and try it.

*EDIT for clarity.

All I know is both of them are amazing mods. im running Open Better Cities right now and am thinking of loading up again OCR. not because i don't like it. I love all the scenery in the cities. i just want to try both. I have tried OCR with my last pc (Piece of Crap) and i couldn't run that or BC but not because of the mods. I was always greedy when it came to mods. had to have everything. I have tried OCR on a completely vanilla game ( not one other mod besides OCR) and it barely messes with the fps. That was on my old pc. I know for a fact that if i ran OCR i would not even notice a performance hit. the point is OP, try both and see what you like.

EDIT: this may be an obvious question but....does anyone know if Skyrim will have open cities? I don't know why they wouldn't. It would be just plain laziness and stupidity not to.

Very strong indicators for it based on available info. There hasn't been any official confirmation that I'm aware of though. I sure hope they are, would save me tons of work once Skyrim comes out

They certainly looked like it in the trailer...

Which would be awesome...

i sure hope so.

I don't see why they wouldn't really. Daggerfall and Morrowind had them, been too long since I played Arena to remember if that did too. Oblivion is basically the odd man out here. Gimped because they panicked over Xbox support.

That's at least part of the issue, we know Morrowind has no issue handling it. So there was never any technical limitations on why Oblivion couldn't handle it.