So, the phrase has the same meaning as "May the luck of the Irish be with you?"

Agreement here. I play as a Dark Elf girl, and it's a little unnerving that the shoulders are too broad, and the briasts are size A. I'm sure there are Dark Elves that look like that, but every character shouldn't. I think you should be able to customize that sort of thing, meaning how shapely you want to make your body. Even with the pink hair, I feel a little too lumberjack-y :whistling:

No - they don't. It's astonishing, really. I just reread through this thread and I don't have the foggiest idea why everyone's prattling on about classes and skills and the game supposedly changing your body to suit how many spells you cast.

:shrug:

I never said your skills matter. I don't understand why you keep bringing that up. I am talking about being the PLAYER and DESIGNING the TYPE OF CHARACTER I want to play because I WANT to design a THIEF that LOOKS GOOD because I am a GIRL and CARE TOO MUCH about looks.

Is that clear enough? I'm being a little vain. I can admit it. But it has nothing to do with anything other than LOOKS. What are you so confused about?

Well, thank you for understanding! I really did think I was being clear

I got the impression in your OP that you wanted the skills themself to determine how you look. You could have noted that wasn't what you were talking about earlier you know.

Edit: Double Post.

I'm sorry you got that impression.

For the reasons I posted in this thread I don't think it will happen. Unless they have changed the way the textures of the clothing are applied to the characters.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1202049-height-and-weight-customization/

Based on how this was done in earlier games, it is unlikely that there would or could be customization of the individual NPCs bodies. It would be nice though. I think small differences could be achieved, but unless they have solved the clipping issues, we will be stuck with the stock looks from the neck down. Even with the body mods that changed the female form, sometimes to an exaggerated extent, when clothing was applied, they looked the same as every other NPC that has clothes on, as far as shape goes.

Bummer.

I hope there's plenty of body customization. Odd as it may sound, as a female player I would love the option of a bust slider (I would put it on the flattest setting). I always find the female models to be too chesty for my liking, but I know I'm in the minority on that one.

I did too, but.... :shrug:

Back to the topic - what I'm hoping for is, first, multiple skeletons. Not just male and female, but different skeletons at least for the beast races and the human/mer races. They should be more differentiated than they were in Oblivion, in which the beast races, to me, just looked like people in Halloween costumes. Then I'd like to see a set of sliders similar to the ones in chargen in Oblivion that would adjust body proportions. At least - one for overall height, one for overall breadth, then a number of them for, for instance, shoulders, chest, stomach, hips and legs, adjusting both the length and the breadth. And probably one sort of like the forehead/nose/chin slider in Oblivion that would adjust torso/waist/legs, to make a character overall long bodied and short-legged or short-bodied and long-legged or anything in between.

The problem with all of that though, even beyond simply impementing it alone, is that then all the clothing and armor in the game would have to dynamically scale to the proportions of your character. That's easy enough to do the way that Oblivion did it - by scaling everything equally by height and breadth - but it would be considerably more difficult to do it within each piece - to make the shoulders broader, the torso longer and the hips narrower, for instance. It could be done, but it would require some very carefully designed and complex meshes (or a limited range of adjustments and multiple meshes to match them) and overhead to keep track of it all.

We'll just have to see what they do. At the very least, I expect some more body variation than there was in Oblivion. I'd like to see a system as complex as the one I just outlined (or even more so) but I don't particularly expect it. But I see absolutely no excuse for not adding at least some more variation and customization.

Having multiple bodies would require meshes to morph(scale appropriately) to match that body. This is not out of the question to achieve through the NIF file format and we actually got to see the beginnings of such a system in FO3 with multi-state meshes that didn't rely on animation controllers to dictate what form they take. We know it's possible to alter meshes at run time and all it would take is for the game engine to support this natively to open up the field completely to such functionality. I have a strong feeling we will see some pretty impressive changes to how the NIF file format is utilized and most likely those changes will be inspired by NifScripts. Remember they re-wrote everything from the ground up so if there was ever a chance of this happening it's now.

I totally agree with you on this. I don't understand how a game like City of Heroes back in 2004 can have a wide variety of body customization yet not in 2011 in Skyrim. As far as I remember you had a female, male, and huge body type. Then you could adjust overall physique, Height, etc.... Or it may have been a bit later after launch, I don't remember, but you could adjust leg lenght, shoulder width, chest, waist, musculature, etc.... and I doubt they had to use more than a few skeletons for this. though I'm not up on game design so I could be wrong. And there was some but not a lot of clipping issues that I remember unless you went extreme (going toward the large size) and even then it wasn't with every costume.

Would really like to see some type of body customization at creation.

I've been looking everywhere for a link that shows we have customisable body types, all I could find was that it was mentioned in Game Informer magazine back in January, not in the main text of the article, but in a screenshot caption. Make of that what you will.

One of those things everyone thought was confirmed a few months ago, ah well.

Female EVERYTHING for Oblivion was, well... *oof*. Models, textures, and voices, all sub-par. And to create a female character you needed at least 3 or 4 good mods to get something not unattractive.

From the few screenshots shown so far with females in them it looks like they will be getting some well-deserved attention to detail.

And yes, I frequently make female characters in RPGs. If I have to stare at an ass for 200 hours I'd rather it be a woman's.

I *had* concerns about the female Dovahkiin until I asked about getting a look at the female armor in the Meet The Devs thread and was assured by a character artist that we'd be well-represented. I was afraid they were going to make a female like E'lara from Hunted and I definitely didn't want that. I also didn't want my little Breton to be all pixie/elf-like. Once I saw the recent screenshots of the female armor and how the woman looked, I was overjoyed. She looks classy and elegant, even in armor, and I can see making a similar character.

We're supposed to be able to create with even more flexibility than before. I wasn't unhappy with my Oblivion Champion; she was slender and looked fine but it was pretty generic too. I just feel it's going to be really good. The artists have done a wonderful job as far as I can see and I think the mechanics of character creation will give us lots of freedom to make what we really want.

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Well, I disagree. The beauty of the whole tabula rasa/prisoner starting in the TES series is that you can imagine your character's past background. The body types allow you to mede out this blank slate perfectly because if I wanted my character to be a hulking brute who was wanted in several provinces for mass murder, I could make it so. Or, if I wanted him to be an athletic thief, I could make it so as well. As far as body type affecting game play - or vice versa - i'd rather not see a repeat of Fable 2/3.

I thought they confirmed different body types long ago... And with the new engine, I have no reason to believe they may not have applied the way textures and meshes of clothing fit to the characters in a manner that accounts for the player's chosen body type. I don't think it's that hard... I've played much older games that had full body customization (The Skateboarding games come to mind)

Actual feminie physique for one would be good.Larger briasts (realsticly large so it dosen't debauch the realism) Make it so hips are actually larger than men and several other things that make them actual women not smaller men with moobs.

You're right....I took a closer look at some of the screen shots and from what I can already see, it's a ton better even if there is no further customization. The women, for the most part, look great

It's funny - I recall that a while back, before Oblivion even came out, people were actually complimenting the figures of the women saying that they made women more "real". However, after having to stare at those women for a hours playing the game, I think many people realize that it's ok to be pretty hahahaha

Exactly, I really hope there'll be body customization like I've heard. I haven't seen any fat NPC's yet though.

That's the one thing that I was worried about when I originally heard about it in the GI mag, the body mesh issue. Saints Row 2 was able to have the body be able to mesh and have it look the same without clothes but that's a different engine and a couple other different things that was probably done. If Beth solved the Mesh problem that's great but it's probably going to be 4 or 5 different body types, hopefully there's some good choices.

I'd like to see a realistic distribution of body types. For males, too.

I don't know what is it with Bethesda and hitting the women with the ugly stick, because females from previous TES and the recent Fallout games were horrible looking for the most part. I usually play a female character on my second run through just to see how different a game could be (Mass Effect, Fallout New Vegas, Dragon Age, etc). I agree that the physical appearance of the vanilla Oblivion females left much to be desired, but judging from some of the Skyrim screenshots, I think they're way better looking this time around. I think females even use a different walking animation than the men in Skyrim. Hopefully in Skyrim, players will have more options in character customization other than just the head and skin tone; what I mean by more options for customization is things such as height, body size (thin, medium, obese etc), and other features. Despite how terrible is the game Aion, the devs for that game actually provided players with decent character customization options. Maybe Skyrim can offer something similar.