Beyond CHIM : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:55 pm

During an intensive lore vacation, whilst I filled my tiny head with the lores of all the Aedra and Daedra, Anu, Sithis, CHIM, Love-letters, chest wounds, and assorted what-not, I was confronted at least three times with a form of transcendence I have never heard of. Amaranth. At this point I have tackled the full breadth of the internet searching for a description of this Amaranth.

To the close dreamers, don't forget the Amaranth. There *is* one step beyond CHIM, but you're right in that it is not godhood. It's the flowering of a statehood where the images you give birth to in your dream-- stolen (?) from first dreamer-- wakes up. Wails knowing free will. And begins to dream in the same way. Children of liberty without end, and then the music lives forever as a pirate radio tuned against the rules of Heaven and the vulgarities of Hell.

Yeah, like that, but, crap, it just shattered and now I need my morning coffee because I have to work.

Still, no wonder some called Him the Doom Drum.

So Amaranth is when you have achieved CHIM and started your own dream (optional) and then the images (people) in your dream does the same thereby starting a never ending cycle.

He also said:

We haven't seen a fleshed-out alternative to CHIM to support something more preferable, but I promised a long while back to provide one. We'll see.

I will say that, CHIM or not, there is no evidence that either Talos nor Vehk achieved Amaranth. If they did, Tamriel would be in their rearview mirror. The Amaranth deserves its own topic, really. Its core concept is the most divisive among the mystics, in my opinion.

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» Mon May 07, 2012 7:03 pm

Thanks Akanaro. I guess I was foolish to think anything MK wrote would be understandable on any human level....

Loved this though:

The Dwemer are special in their views. If one could misinterpret the name of their religion (they were said to be 'pious'), one might name it negalithic refusatronic world-navel-gazinism.

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:58 pm

Not even in the very slightest of fashions, partially because you bring up the game, which is entirely irrelevant.

"The New Man becomes God becomes Amaranth, everlasting hypnogogic. Hallucinations become lucid under His eye and therefore, like all parents of their children, the Amaranth cherishes and adores all that is come from Him.

I ARE ALL WE."

Tell me, how do you (or SithisLorkhan) get that idea from this?

I was being facetious. The game is never irrelevant though.

Besides if you really think about it there are some correlations, even if they are irrelevant. When you finish the game much of what was unclear or somewhat clear becomes clear.

Maybe I should have put a disclaimer on that. Did not mean to offend you.