Bicycles : Fallout Series Discussion

» Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:55 pm

Why are there no bicycles in the fallout universe? I mean, did people just forget to build them or ride them?

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In case you haven't noticed this thread is a joke. designed to poke fun at:

A, The random and ridiculous nature of some topics

B, The extent to which some Elitist fans will go to fill the plotholes in their http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI canon.

C, And by extension, the incredible speed to which people will suddenly cling on and defend an idea which unless it was suggested by someone else they never would have given a moments thought.

I mean, there are MANY plotholes in Fallout, like the Bloatflies, now I haven't done biology in a while but I do remember that insects have a extremely different respiratory system to mammals and other large creatures that basically works by 'absorbing' air into the bloodstream without the need to breath via some surface tissue; this only works for ~~very small~~ insects because of the surface area to volume ratio (wiki it). In short, bloatflies and radroaches would be unable to respire enough to survive. Do I care? NO. Did we care when the AER laser rifles appeared? NO. Would I care if bikes came out of the ether. Nope.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:20 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugsCdLHm-Q
I want to ride my bicycle! I want to ride it where I like!

I remember seeing Tricycles as various trash littered around buildings and the wasteland (plus that factory) in Fallout 3. But Bicycles there isn't one to be seen. I guess like many things after the war, the secret to a good ol' bicycle was lost. Shame really I could imagine some really fearsome raider bicycle gangs.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:36 am

Bicycle gangs... that would be fun...

» Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:47 pm

"Bicycles?! What are you, a commie?
Here, take this all american car."

I guess that's the reason =P

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:38 am

I must admit i never thought of a good old push bike, you'd want a mountain bike for the sort of terrain in the game though, but a good idea.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:30 am

I guess like many things after the war, the secret to a good ol' bicycle was lost. Shame really I could imagine some really fearsome raider bicycle gangs.

Seems a little silly as even I know how a bike works.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:29 pm

Seems a little silly as even I know how a bike works.

You only know how a bycyle works becuase someone showed you.

The problem in Fallout's world is that a lot of knowledge is lost completely - It has to be learned the hard way, the way the first person who figured it out did :shocking:

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:59 am

You only know how a bycyle works becuase someone showed you.

The problem in Fallout's world is that a lot of knowledge is lost completely - It has to be learned the hard way, the way the first person who figured it out did :shocking:

I could in a post-apoc world, make bikes and tell people how to make bikes, so that point is null.

» Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:42 pm

KNowledge, lost completely?!?!?!? nope

You mention that people know how they work because they were taught.. did everyone on the planet that previously used a bycicle die. or can we assuime that there would indeed be people that had used a bike that survived the great war?
there are people still, right?

assuming that the statistical improbablity of everyone who had ever used or seen a bike had died in the war, i still think people would figure it out.

The morotcycles in game would be a pretty clear example how a crank, chain and gear assembly worked.
the wastelanders wouldnt really have to be taught how they work, just see an example.

its essentially a pulley.. not complicated, and there are cexamples of that type of tech in fallout..
Given that there are also many skill books in game, i would assume that there are a good deal of peole that can put together how a bike works.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:43 am

Well considering that there is no mention or appearance of bicycles or people riding them I think it's safe to assume the knowledge is forgotten.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:06 am

I could in a post-apoc world, make bikes and tell people how to make bikes, so that point is null.

You could if you were who you are today, yes.

But if you were born in Fallout's universe? where the only bike you've seen may be scrap metal? Where people have had more important things on their mind - like food and shelter- than getting some old rustbucket going? Where you never had that first bike your parents gave you? Where they never taught you to ride and likely never learned themselves?

KNowledge, lost completely?!?!?!? nope

You mention that people know how they work because they were taught.. did everyone on the planet that previously used a bycicle die. or can we assuime that there would indeed be people that had used a bike that survived the great war?
there are people still, right?

assuming that the statistical improbablity of everyone who had ever used or seen a bike had died in the war, i still think people would figure it out.

The morotcycles in game would be a pretty clear example how a crank, chain and gear assembly worked.
the wastelanders wouldnt really have to be taught how they work, just see an example.

its essentially a pulley.. not complicated, and there are cexamples of that type of tech in fallout..
Given that there are also many skill books in game, i would assume that there are a good deal of peole that can put together how a bike works.

Although the lack of evidence doesn't mean there's definately no bikes, there is no evidence of a working bikes existence either. the presumption has to be on their non-use, rather than their use.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:14 am

Game engine can't handle it.

It is just a random encounter http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Phil,_the_Nuka_Cola_dude

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:51 am

Not canon, but if they were to put bikes into the game as though they were always there then I'd be rather ticked off.

» Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:40 pm

Not canon, but if they were to put bikes into the game as though they were always there then I'd be rather ticked off.

There are some problems with bikes. First would be the tires. Would need to get new ones and making them is not easy. Second would be the chain, it would rust and break, needs to be oiled. Third would be how easy they are to break if attacked. Need to stick to roads, unless you have a mountain bike.

Not saying they can't have them. Just need an engine that can handle wheels and a place making new tires.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:46 am

When the HELL did I ever say I wanted bikes?

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:13 am

You could if you were who you are today, yes.

But if you were born in Fallout's universe? where the only bike you've seen may be scrap metal? Where people have had more important things on their mind - like food and shelter- than getting some old rustbucket going? Where you never had that first bike your parents gave you? Where they never taught you to ride and likely never learned themselves?

Although the lack of evidence doesn't mean there's definately no bikes, there is no evidence of a working bikes existence either. the presumption has to be on their non-use, rather than their use.

im not talking about in game use. i am talking about you saying that the knowledge would be lost.

i dont think briast feeding is mentioned in game, either. doesnt mean we should assume the knowledge of that practice is lost

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:43 am

Bicycles, do not, exist. They are not mentioned, nobody would want them because only Dutch people and Chinamen ride them. And the methods of building them have been lost.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:21 am

im not talking about in game use. i am talking about you saying that the knowledge would be lost.

i dont think briast feeding is mentioned in game, either. doesnt mean we should exclude the knowledge of it.

I maintain my previous comment.

There's a world of difference between a mechanical device, and a normal bodily function.

In any case, the lack of evidence of baby formula and the existence of children in game is circumstancial evidence of briast feedings existence.

» Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:10 pm

I maintain my previous comment.

There's a world of difference between a mechanical device, and a normal bodily function.

In any case, the lack of evidence of baby formula and the existence of children in game is circumstancial evidence of briast feedings existence.

motocycles

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:15 am

Now they do exist, because they've made an appearance in http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Boudicca-78%2FS.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:38 am

I maintain my previous comment.

There's a world of difference between a mechanical device, and a normal bodily function.

In any case, the lack of evidence of baby formula and the existence of children in game is circumstancial evidence of briast feedings existence.

Yes but people from Pre_war could teach the next generation adn so on... :facepalm:

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm

So then why don't bicycles appear? Hell they don't even appear as a means to create energy like in Soylent Green.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:38 am

When the HELL did I ever say I wanted bikes?

Sorry I did not mean to make you mad. I was just tying to give some reasons as to why people don't use bikes in Fallout Universe or at least why they would be very rare.

» Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:01 am

I don't get mad, I get even. :tops:

» Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:20 pm

I don't get mad, I get even. :tops:

:foodndrink:

My guess to why there are no bikes would be because the tires. People don't have the ability to make new ones or even patch the old ones. Getting air pumps might be hard to do. Plus the tires make good wasteland clothing lol.