Exactly, the chasm was created by the Divide event which is why getting supplies and reinforcements to New Vegas is so tricky in 2281; it was just a city and you're suggesting that the non-collapsed parts are giving the NCR trouble. The NCR control the formerly largest populated - and one of the largest - cities in the United States - Los Angeles. Why would Hopeville - the city - give them so much trouble when it didn't stop an entirely independant town from eing founded there before the event.

EDIT: And I meant in the approximate area of that reserve, clearly if the lab was there it wouldn't be a nature reserve.

You have marked men, deathclaws, tunnelers, radiation and horrible weather.
You would lose too many troops going through it.

Those were all created by the Divide Event; I don't get your point? The Colonel is saying my placement of Big Mountain is wrong because the Divide could be much larger then I drew on my map and that the ruined city of Hopeville that hasn't been caved-in would present just as much a danger. I disagree that the city itself would pose a threat in-comparison to the actual chasm.

Oh no, I wasnt saying the distance initself. It's like.....Say you're marching across D.C. the city. You aren't walking a long ways, you're marching through broken buildings, radiation hotspots, monsters, raiders, et cetera.

In Hopeville's case, you have varying degrees of trouble. Unstable pass points from one point to the next, tunnelers, the dangerous winds and earthquakes, and the radiation that is rampant in the air. As what turned the soldiers into Marked Men wasn't just sand and wind and ash, it was also constant radiation. the Divide is more or less a literal 'hell on earth'.

Edit: Oh wait, we're talking about two seperate things here. I was figuring you were meaning just hopeville. Derp.

Apparently, from what I recall, which is vague, Big Mountain is North I believe of the Divide, which would make sense as it forces NCR to march the long way around both Hopeville and the Divide.

I'm not contesting the lethality of any part of the Divide or Hopeville old sport, I just don't think that the Divide is large enough to cut off both Shady Sands and the Boneyard and think it would make much more sense for the Divide area to be roughly the same as the Death Valley National Park - thus cutting off Shady Sands from Vegas - and that Big Mountain - which we assume is already around the same parts anyway given it's DLC entrance - is located south of the Divide and the danger zone around it prevents the NCR based in Los Angeles from simply taking the Highway right ot Vegas.

But it was on the map, but somewhere in mid north america i think. I can check it again, but i dont think it matters that much, as you say it doesnt really exist.


Its heaven if you ask me. Nukes, warheads, bombs, guns, former soldiers of rivaling factions now fighting together with awesome weapons, robots, deathclaws and as much pre war armor as you can care to loot. Hell i would settle there just for the nukes.

Graham says that the Divide is in the Death Valley National Park, the Divide wouldn't be much of a problem for the NCR supply lines if it was far to the north of the NCR heartland now would it?

Thanx, you just gave me several reasons for why big mountian is located in the north instead of the south. The highway that leads from Mojave to California in the Mojave Outpost is in the south, and leads somewhere there, straight to Cali. We agree that thats were the NCR get reinforcements from right? well in the north beside the snowy mountain where the super mutants reside (the peaceful ones i cant remember the name of the town but the mayor was named markus or something) is a road too leading west, but guess what? ITS BLOCKED, like the canyon wreckage.

Thanx for making me realize that, never would have though about that without you.

It cant be that much of a problem (lets say if it is blocking the highway from Mojave to california) if the NCR has so many soldiers stationed in the Mojave. Im guessing north..

So you're just going to ignore what it says in the game.

Actually it's a road to the North-West and I don't get why you're right, because there's some canyon wreckage? If there's a road going straight from LA to New Vegas completely in-tact then there's no reason why the NCR should have any supply problems.

Besides, believe it or not sometimes people go "off road" or "around obsticles".

But the I-15 is the NCRs major route into Vegas.
Your map has the Big MT placed near it.

Spoiler

Ulysess wanted to nuke the I-15 to cut off the NCR in Vegas.
"Bleeding the bear."

The divide cut off the NCRs northern route, Highway 95.
It would not affect the I-15.

Then I fail to understand the NCR's supply problems, a fail on Obsidians part unless the NCR keeps it's entire army in Shady Sands.

Nope, just doesnt seem like its that much of a problem.
It just looks like they blocked it out for a reason.

And if we look at the New Vegas map, i believe that you can see the divide. and i think if we study it good enough we can see the big mountain, and im on it right now,.

LOL that would be a stupid tactic.

Well the NCR did not commit its full army to vegas.
It has expanded alot to the north so its army may be needed there.
It has its Heavy troopers guarding Brahmin barons and the Vet rangers were down in Baja.
Raiders are still a problem.
It is overstretched and the mojave may not be priorty 1 for them.

Exactly, Shady Sands is an entirely new settlement where-as LA was the most populated and largest city in the US; if the I-15 is fine then I don't understand the problem that the Divide caused, we know that Shady Sands is near Vault 13 and that V13 is under Mt Whitney... so imagine if the Courier's Settlement was in the Death Valley area and that the NCR caravans had a straight line to Vegas, am I supposed to believe that the extra time it takes to just go south and meet the I-15 is really making a noticable effect?

Mojave is the NCR 1st priority, NCR wants it more then anything and will stop at nothing.

I dont know much of the locations in california and shady sands or anything, since i just started playing the first fallout games today.

Nope.

Kimball is focusing alot on the Mojave.

Actually, in the words of House, 'This is Kimball's war'. NCR only went to Vegas because Kimball convinced Congress, and at the time, he was a War Hero, so he had a lot of sway. NCR doesn't care beyond the aquisition of new resources. But it's 'Kmball wants it more than anything and will stop at nothing'. Especially at this point, because if Kimball survives to see NCR lose Hoover Dam, his ass is going to be kicked out of office so hard, his grandchildren will feel the boot kick them.

You think? Kimball probably wouldn't get re-elected but Oliver - fairly or not - would take the fall.

Kimball would take the fall as the leader and known supporter. Oliver would take the fall as the piss poor tactical 'genius'. Besides, he has it coming, Oliver's strategy for any fight is either 'wait and see' or 'FIGHT TO THE LAST MAN!', not exactly the most cunning. Hell, while Oliver is derping and collecting muscle to go into a straight forward slugging match, the Legion has saboteurs the NCR doesnt even know about tearing up their efforts across the dam. The Legion, despite what others say, are much more cunning than NCR's military.

Olivers other known tactics are also= spread hundred couriers in Legion territory and watch the Legion fall apart. i mean CMON how could that fail?
And the Legion may be better then NCR in some ways when it comes to tactics, but they aint really that good. They can easily flank the NCR forces at the dam by taking out Helios one and forlorn Hope, but they rather want the NCR to [censored] their pants, rather then try to take NCR land from them yet. Caesar′s wisdom really suprises me.

I don't think that Oliver is a bad general, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't; if he had attacked the Legion everyone would complain that he treats his men life cannon-fodder. He's a general and the person who calls him "wait and see" Oliver is like a sergeant, I don't care what anyone says about the supposed nepotism, he didn't go straight from birth to general of the army.

Attacking the Legion head-on would be a blood-bath for the NCR, they both had to recuperate their losses after the first battle - in-fact the NCR more than the Legion. Unless you believe that the NCR could defeat the whole Legion then keeping them largely bottle-necked behind the Dam in an endless stalemate is probably the better option, the NCR invading the Legion would probably go as well as Barbarossa. What does the NCR ending say? That the NCR secures the Vegas area, nothing about an advance into Legion land; how long before the Legion comes back under Caesar or Lanius?

EDIT: That's because Oliver's position is defensive and not offensive, like most modern militaries you know?

Yes, but what Oliver does is to spam soldiers at the Dam, from every location that has troops, to the point that the location barely has anything left. And no, he is officially called wait and see Oliver, hell its even on the radio.