I don't think that Oliver is a bad general, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't; if he had attacked the Legion everyone would complain that he treats his men life cannon-fodder. He's a general and the person who calls him "wait and see" Oliver is like a sergeant, I don't care what anyone says about the supposed nepotism, he didn't go straight from birth to general of the army.

Attacking the Legion head-on would be a blood-bath for the NCR, they both had to recuperate their losses after the first battle - in-fact the NCR more than the Legion. Unless you believe that the NCR could defeat the whole Legion then keeping them largely bottle-necked behind the Dam in an endless stalemate is probably the better option, the NCR invading the Legion would probably go as well as Barbarossa. What does the NCR ending say? That the NCR secures the Vegas area, nothing about an advance into Legion land; how long before the Legion comes back under Caesar or Lanius?

EDIT: That's because Oliver's position is defensive and not offensive, like most modern militaries you know?

A defensive position? I call bull. The NCR is in no position to a damn thing, its military is under equipped and poorly trained. Also, there is no 'supposed' nepotism, Kimball appointed Oliver to his position because they are friends. I'd say that Hsu is much more general material than Oliver.

Yes, but what Oliver does is to spam soldiers at the Dam, from every location that has troops, to the point that the location barely has anything left. And no, he is officially called wait and see Oliver, hell its even on the radio.

Why don't one of you guys insert a marker on the Mohave then travel to big mountain and bingo you know which way big mountain is from the Mohave then estimate from there.

Why because he talks nice, he wants a defensive position too. What position is it then? If not directly engaging the Legion isn't a non-offensive position then what is?

It's that 'I'll hold my butt here in this position move' you make when you realise your friend is about to capture your flag in Stratego. The NCR is to weak to make any intervention against Legion ops, all operations West of the river are broken through the Couriers intervention, and the NCR would lose the moment it made any push East of the Dam. It is in a pidgeonholed position.

The courier is a literal Deus Ex Machina. His whole existence is a plot piece that forwards the NCR, or dooms it.

Which is probably why the NCR is holding it's ground then; you've said that you don't think they're even capable of holding what they've already got and you think that Oliver not pressing an attack must be for some obviously "evil" reason that makes Oliver an incompetant ass-hat?

Same could be said of all factions I suppose.

Why because he talks nice, he wants a defensive position too. What position is it then? If not directly engaging the Legion isn't a non-offensive position then what is?


"Offiically", he's called it by one of his inferiors and Mr New Vegas - an enemy radio station. And we assume that's it's a bad plan because what, the one/two people who call him that say it in a negative way? It's a perfectly sound defensive strategy, that's why there are sand-bag barricades on the Dam; and he spams them, why is it not the imperialist Colonel Moore whom is actually in-charge of the Dam itself where-as the General is in charge of the whole war-effort.

The radio may be programmed by House, but what mr new vegas says is completely neutral and not some propoganda like things we have heard from the black mountain radio or Enclave radio. So i wouldnt call it an enemy radio station just cause House made it.

As for that, colonel Moore is just a [censored] that wants everyone beside the NCR dead, cause she has no real man in her life, and is totally gay. that all doesnt justify anything about Oliver, he′s tactics are not the best. Sure, i have seen the NCR fight against Legion, and they are no match in a fight (unless its one of those heavy troopers or rangers) and they surely could not cross the river that easily, but NCR surely has a chance of fighting some more, and instead of just fortifieng the Dam, help their camps that are fighting the Legion already inside the border.

And who'd you suppose supplies/controls what infomation Mr Vegas receives?

Are you stupid? Clearly it's the cave rat who taught No-Bark the spell to make teddy bears show their true form.

Kimball is focusing alot on the Mojave.

Kimball is an idiot, and so is his regime. He isn't the entire NCR.

It would be better for them to lose Hoover Dam than to gain it IMHO.

Agreed, but even better. Wipe out the NCR from the face of the earth, hows that?

I don't have a problem with NCR, just its current administration and modus operandi. It's like America, I don't approve of our current administration, but when it comes down to brass tacks, we're better off than many other places in the world. NCR has its problems, but its better than the Legion. My only oppositiion to them is an NCR controlled Vegas.

Granted Democracy is the best kind of government, but NCR are not fit to be holding that responsibility. One day they will die out, and so will the Legion

Granted Democracy is the best kind of government, but NCR are not fit to be holding that responsibility. One day they will die out, and so will the Legion

Eh, I won't get in to my opinions on democracy. But technically neither NCR nor the US are truly democratic, they're representitive republics. But I disagree in that opinion. I think NCR is in its American Imperialist 'Manifest Destiny' phase as America was when it started pushing the Native Americans off their land in the effort to 'civilise' the world. Look at NCR, they try to reform tribals the very same way. I think NCR can prosper if given the chance.

Taking away peoples homes and even lifes. Hell no, i wont give them a chance. Your right, just like the Americans pushing the natives away from their homes, damn u dont see anything wrong with that?

Of course, but sometimes we have to do a little bad to do a lot of good. Is what happened right? Of course not, but it was all in the name of progress. As romanticised as I am with the Wild West, we'd still have bandits and outlaws and all that as opposed to cities with lights and electricity. Water and prime medical help. There is never going to always be a 'Good' and 'Bad' choice. Often times we will have a 'less good' and 'less bad' choice to make. Is sacrificing the lives of hundreds worth the security of generations more people? That's the reality of the world, and its the style of question that can't be avoided in this life. It's like when a poor parent must decide 'should I eat tonight to have strength for work tomorrow, or hold out and stretch my food amongst my three kids until pay day?'. Moral dilemma occur in reality with no clear cut good or bad choices. There's practical then there's moral. What's practical isn't always right, and what's right isn't always practical.

I dont see how taking the land of many people that are just trying to survive as saving generations. Hell all america did was to make room for all the fatties and spoiled kids, and every once in a while you find those who were worth killing natives for. I dont see the world as bad and good, i see the world as a place were freedom is something everyone should have, not just some specific people. Its like NCR, they always try to come up with reasons to invade some places that justify their invasion. Is that something bad? yes. Is it for a good cause? In some ways, but they got other options then to do the bad things. Things can be achieved by good means, disagree if you want, but i believe that this doing bad for a good cause aint bulletproof, else it would even justify the Legion.

So you don't see the United Nations, the internet, the Technological Revolution as a whole (the state the world has been in for the past century), and all of this advanced technology as a good thing?

This sadly wouldn't have happened (at least not at the speed it has) if America had been polite and had left the west alone.

So you don't see the United Nations, the internet, the Technological Revolution as a whole (the state the world has been in for the past century), and all of this advanced technology as a good thing?

This sadly wouldn't have happened (at least not at the speed it has) if America had been polite and had left the west alone.

Im not saying they should leave it alone, im just saying that they shouldnt have taken land from people that lived there b4, and murdered and stealing, and lieng about America and then making a justified course about freedom and democracy, even when they took the freedom from the people that lived their originally.
Same in Vegas, NCR shouldnt take country from everyone. NCR aint saints lets not forget that, so a future where everything is NCR is not the best choice. Dont get me wrong, NCR has some good people in it, its just they make you a part of it weither you like it or not.