Bin Laden dead?

Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:45 pm

Strangely all that plays through my head is the song from Team America.


I'm listening to it right now. And no, we're not missing the point. We really are that amazing.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:56 pm

I'm sure they'd have liked a capture if the option came up, but they weren't going to risk a missed chance by hesitating to shoot. It's true that his death in itself is unlikely to do much; I doubt that he alone held all of his organization's secrets in his head, and no no one will know what to do without him. There are other leaders that can pick up the slack. However, he was an icon of what he stood for, and the death of an icon can have a considerable impact. Those who had considered joining may lose some faith in the group, may be afraid to step in line with a force that just lost its head, and current members may have their loyalty shaken, especially during the subsequent disorganization.

For the most part though, yes, it's more about people declaring victory over an enemy. That's the way it's always worked; leaders take much of the credit, good or bad, often regardless of their actual influence. An act creates an enemy, an enemy needs a name, a named enemy becomes the target for those wronged. It may or may not be of any benefit, but people will always seek that goal and celebrate its victory.

Edit: The death of an icon can also empower a cause as a martyr, of course, but that rarely stops people.

In the past, has this type of thing meant that people think the clouds have parted and allowed the sun to shine down on them so that nothing may ever go wrong again? What I'm saying is I'm worried people may not realize or care much that there's still an entire organization that wants to harm their country/countries and they may become even more aggressive... partially based on that martyr status you mentioned. He's one man, hence I really don't see why this is a great victory. The great victory will be the destruction of affiliated terrorist groups, not the killing of one man, in my opinion. :shrug:
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:49 pm

In the past, has this type of thing meant that people think the clouds have parted and allowed the sun to shine down on them so that nothing may ever go wrong again?

Pretty much.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:08 pm

I think I read somewhere that his sister was killed as well.

The song from Team America it is indeed, titled "Innocent Collateral Damage FTW".
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:15 pm

In the past, has this type of thing meant that people think the clouds have parted and allowed the sun to shine down on them so that nothing may ever go wrong again? What I'm saying is I'm worried people may not realize or care much that there's still an entire organization that wants to harm their country/countries and they may become even more aggressive... partially based on that martyr status you mentioned. He's one man, hence I really don't see why this is a great victory. The great victory will be the destruction of affiliated terrorist groups, not the killing of one man, in my opinion. :shrug:


Thank you Seti!
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:55 am

Although at this point he was more of a figurehead than an actual leader, this is still going to have a vast psychological effect on people, both today and for future generations. Hopefully, Marcus' opinion on the Leigon shall ring true.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:51 am

In the past, has this type of thing meant that people think the clouds have parted and allowed the sun to shine down on them so that nothing may ever go wrong again? What I'm saying is I'm worried people may not realize or care much that there's still an entire organization that wants to harm their country/countries and they may become even more aggressive... partially based on that martyr status you mentioned. He's one man, hence I really don't see why this is a great victory. The great victory will be the destruction of affiliated terrorist groups, not the killing of one man, in my opinion. :shrug:


Pretty sure no one thinks every fanatic with ill intentions toward the US (and it's allies) will suddenly put down their arms and become pacifists just because Osama's dead. Now, can victims of Osama and his minions across the globe take solace in his death? Absolutely. Because to them he represents those that took their loved ones away from them. I fail to see why that's a bad thing or why we shouldn't consider it a victory.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:28 pm

In the past, has this type of thing meant that people think the clouds have parted and allowed the sun to shine down on them so that nothing may ever go wrong again? What I'm saying is I'm worried people may not realize or care much that there's still an entire organization that wants to harm their country/countries and they may become even more aggressive... partially based on that martyr status you mentioned. He's one man, hence I really don't see why this is a great victory. The great victory will be the destruction of affiliated terrorist groups, not the killing of one man, in my opinion. :shrug:

Well, in World War II Germany didn't surrender the moment Hitler died. But his death was celebrated by the Allies anyway. We know terrorism isnt over forever because Bin Laden is dead, but it's hope.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:09 pm

this is a symbolic victory but a victory nonetheless.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:57 pm

In the past, has this type of thing meant that people think the clouds have parted and allowed the sun to shine down on them so that nothing may ever go wrong again? What I'm saying is I'm worried people may not realize or care much that there's still an entire organization that wants to harm their country/countries and they may become even more aggressive... partially based on that martyr status you mentioned. He's one man, hence I really don't see why this is a great victory. The great victory will be the destruction of affiliated terrorist groups, not the killing of one man, in my opinion. :shrug:


I agree. I can't help but to wonder for our safety.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:57 pm

Pretty sure no one thinks every fanatic with ill intentions toward the US (and it's allies) will suddenly put down their arms and become pacifists just because Osama's dead. Now, can victims of Osama and his minions across the globe take solace in his death? Absolutely. Because to them he represents those that took their loved ones away from them. I fail to see why that's a bad thing or why we shouldn't consider it a victory.

Bin Laden wasn't the guy who took their loved ones away. It was some hijackers/bombers who were already dead when Bin Laden was killed. I wholeheartedly sympathize with those who have lost their loved ones, but just because he represents that figure, to them, doesn't mean he really is that figure. By all means, I'm fine with people cheering. I just don't really understand it. Al Qaeda isn't going to stop, now, and revenge does nothing to bring back the dead nor assist and immunize the living.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:32 pm

Hearing about Osama is kinda like having six for the first time. You've waited about half your life for it to happen, and when it finally does, meh.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:07 pm

Thank you Seti!

You're welcome. :)




What did I do?
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:44 pm

Bin Laden wasn't the guy who took their loved ones away. It was some hijackers/bombers who were already dead when Bin Laden was killed. I wholeheartedly sympathize with those who have lost their loved ones, but just because he represents that figure, to them, doesn't mean he really is that figure. By all means, I'm fine with people cheering. I just don't really understand it. Al Qaeda isn't going to stop, now, and revenge does nothing to bring back the dead nor assist and immunize the living.


Nor did anyone say it did. It makes perfect sense to me that someone who lost someone to either the 9/11 attacks or one of the many other terrorist attacks Osama orchestrated during his miserable life would want to celebrate the fact the he doesn't get to eat dinner anymore.

Doesn't get to sleep in a soft bed, see his loved ones everyday etc, because he's been dealt with. I'm looking at the situation the from the point of view of his victims, and while "an eye for an eye" might not make sense to a lot of people, I'm sure it makes quite a bit of sense to them. Not to mention the various first responders that are dying a slow death as we speak because of what that scumbag did.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:27 pm

That accurately summarizes my thoughts. I'm glad the SOB was taken out, though, don't get me wrong. It's just that he was one man among many in the vast networks of terrorists that have the same vision he had.

Good news nonetheless. Sorry if I'm being too much of a realist. :laugh:

From what I understand, no one will be able to replace him. Technically he'll be replaced, but his charisma, and leadership can't be.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:21 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

Hey it only took two wars, trillions of dollars, thousands of American lives (and the lives of countless other countries that got involved in the war) but we got the bastard!

We played into his hands and we will likely continue on in Afghanistan and Iraq (and yes the Iraq war is in large part connected to American foreign policy post 9/11) continuing to spend money and lose American lives in those countries.

Those people that are celebrating are foolish in thinking that we've won.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:48 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

Hey it only took two wars, trillions of dollars, thousands of American lives (and the lives of countless other countries that got involved in the war) but we got the bastard!

We played into his hands and we will likely continue on in Afghanistan and Iraq (and yes the Iraq war is in large part connected to American foreign policy post 9/11) continuing to spend money and lose American lives in those countries.

Those people that are celebrating are foolish in thinking that we've won.

It just means free food tomorrow or hangovers.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:13 pm

My campus is going nuts right now. I have a final exam at 3 tomorrow but I studied all day and now I'm going to rage with the boys to celebrate.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:40 am

Oh and before I forget to mention.

Can anybody say "4 more years?"

This basically seals it.
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:52 am

i watched the speech and he said he authorized it last week but today was when it was launched.

i thought the news said that hes been dead for a week?
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:33 pm

All I have to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFvDFTiHQfU
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:27 am

Counter-terrorists win.

Sorry to make light of it - I had to.


Horrible thing, I thought the same thing in my head when I first heard about this a few minutes ago. I was on the phone with the girlfriend at the time, neither of us heard anything until we got off. We were back on the phone in like 5 minutes.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:57 am

And an upset George Bush accuses the President of kill-stealing?
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:28 am

And an upset George Bush accuses the President of kill-stealing?


Maybe he'll get some assist points?
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:42 pm

Death of Osama = WIN WIN WIN!!!!
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