Thanks for the back up Rev... I couldn't have said it better myself

Thanks for eveyones input and views on this matter,but i'm still not getting a straight up answer.I just need to know if there is gonna be an option to turn this off on consoles.I don't see the point of me needing my enemy glowing if his health bar is gonna pop up while i'm aiming at him anyways,that alone gives him away.I'm really surprised there is no pure fact statements that the DEVS made some where on this matter.They seem to have answered everything else we needed to know on other aspects of the game.It's a simple answer(yes or no)in the end it's not gonna stop me from buying the game.

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If you want to hide then go play Call of Duty, put on a ghillie suit and sit in a bush. Brink is not about that.
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Anyone who knows something about games realise how important it is to make sure that the players brain reacts to the enemy fast. In most games enemies are all a specific colour. Brink on the other hands has crazy customization and you need to make sure that the person recognizes the enemy.

''shiet, look at that guy wearing a riot cop outfit, he must be resistance! oh wait he was my friend''

If you can't hide then you will be shot at all times, the same thing is about to make it into Gears of War 3 too, you will glow like a radioactive smurf if you're playing as the COG when you're at range, the [censored]

Is it hard for people to know who to shoot and who not to shoot? I don't want to sound like the biggest dike on this planet, but really - Is all this stuff needed for people to know who to shoot?

Perhaps it is you that have a misconception about how the game "should" be played, as you openly admit that players can play classes in a number of ways but think he's wrong for having a way he wants to play.

Glow is the same as the pop-up name that you get when you mouse over an enemy in other games. It shouldn't be there because it acts more as a lazy man's identifier than anything truly useful to those that are already paying attention. It's a crutch that gets used far too often. Prime example from my recent play experience is from Black Ops. When your own teammates mouse over you and your name doesn't popup (because you've upgraded ghost) they stand there and shoot at you because they've become accustomed to the crutch.

Yes, the game is going to have a faster pace, but certain classes would benefit from that more if there was no orange glow. Players moving at high speeds don't notice things like the Operative standing there waiting to interrogat, disguise, hack, or the sniper up on the ledge waiting to take a shot. Orange glow removes that element of play.

People talk about how "Running and gunning" takes skill and then get upset when crutches get taken away from them.

I don't need or want crutches, I want a game that doesn't define me or how I have to play, which is what Brink is trying to pitch itself as.

It's worse. It's like permanently having the enemy names showing.

I know that and it's not like I plan to play hide and seek 24/7 because most of the time I'll be a light running around planting sentries or reviving... But sometimes I like when the enemy runs past and I can take them bu surprise... Now if you're not paying attention and just see an orange glow that's gonna tell you "Turn to your left because there's a guy there" and I think that's kind of unfair that the glow addresses a players carelessness and helps them to spot the enemy. But the glows not really a game breaker for me

That was my point. Hiding around a corner or behind an object is a perfectly valid tactic. Hiding in plain sight (in a bright game) is a poor tactic. That's what I meant.

Not as far as I'm aware. The glow is only visible on enemies who are far away. Running right by someone who is hiding behind a piece of geometry you will not see any orange/blue glow.



I don't know about you, but I haven't had a hard time seeing movement at distance in a bright FPS in a long LONG time. Orange glow or no orange glow I'm going to be on that guys head as soon as it pops out.

Yeah, you haven't had that problem, and I haven't had that problem, but other people do have that problem and that's the point. Our strengths and weaknesses as gamers show through in how we play, to give a crutch for some weaknesses only leads to exposing others. I say let them have their weaknesses and I'll have mine.

And it works both ways too. That guy with the rifle sitting on the crates way over there? Yeah, he's easily visible as well. Makes it a bit tougher to camp, I would think.

WET's system works just fine. Aim at a player, it says if its an ally or enemy. Nazis were dark, Allies were light. Easy as that.

They should just use the same for Brink, or even give glows on allies, so if you see someone not glowing, you know its an enemy. Resistance is warm colors, Security is cool colors. It really defeats the purpose of customizing a resistance member with an orange shirt, yellow pants, and a red mask if everybody is just going to see you as a red glowing figure.

My point is that everyone has that weakness when they stat but that everyone reaches the same level soon afterwards. I don't think there are enough people with that weakness for it to even matter at all within the hardcoe FPS gamers. The only people who benefit are the new FPS players, who are already behind the curve. Why do we need another leg up on them?

Among experienced FPS players, there is variance in how fast they react, how good their aim is, and how well they judge what and when to perform on the map. I argue that there is very little if any variance in how well those players identify avatars in a bright environment.

From what I have seen it's not a glowing red figure so much as faint red rim lighting, and it's only there when you otherwise wouldn't be able to see a lot of detail anyway (far distance).

I'm reserving judgement until I see it in action on my screen.

I get the feeling that a lot of you think you'll be looking like the Human Torch running around because of this rim lighting. That is not the case. I don't know why people keep exaggerating the effect, but whatever. In reality, it's not really all that intense. I've heard from someone that's actually played the game that it looks more like they're standing under a red-tinted light bulb than being dipped in radioactive slime or whatever you guys have been saying. And that's only at longer distances. It fades away to nothing at close range.

:ph34r: by Bridger.

I would argue that there is a lot of variance. A lot of FPS players are dependent on these crutches (the CoD community is enraged at players that use Ghost and or Silencers, SOCOM players are mad because 4 doesn't have Guns hot and it uses a cover system, TF2 players raged over the thought of FF being turned on because they liked being able to shoot their own guys to make sure they weren't spies). Not as many gamers are as openly attentive as you might think and are desperate for a crutch so that they don't have to be.

The Developers claim that each character is supposed to be unique and yet there's a crutch designed to take an entire playing style out of the game. This benefits outright run and gunners and punishes those that play carefully. I have never understood the appeal of knowing where the target is without doing the work to find him, sometimes I wonder if what players really want is a big room with no cover so they can just run around spraying at each other.

Glad you got info from someone who actually played the game.The glow really was'nt a big deal to me in the first place,it just would be nice to have that option to disable it to keep everyone happy.This game is gonna be great(at least it seems that way)regardless of any glow or not.Thanks for the info!

I don't understand how it would remove and/or punish a playstyle? The only playstyle I can think of that is hurt by this is someone who hides in plain sight (as opposed to behind around a corner/behind something) hoping not to be seen. I don't think it even hurts it that much if the coloring is as subtle as is claimed.

also keep in mind your now just as colorful as your environment ,the Ark isn't like your typical CoD map all dark and gloomy ,it's bright and alive always moving and full of color, for this the fact that your glowing might help to conceal you :laugh:

That is exactly what I've been saying. Hiding in plain sight is still hiding and can prove very effective for certain types of players.

Example: Snipers often hide in plain sight so they have time to lineup and take a shot, they shouldn't be able to pop up and take an accurate shot instantly and then drop back behind cover (big problem in SOCOM4) and so they need to be able to rely on hiding "in plain sight". There's not a lot of foliage in this game from what I've seen so they need to be able to take advantage of laying still in the open.

If it's noticable it's going to draw attention to players, if it's not noticable then what's the point? I'm not saying it's a gamebreaking feature, I'm just calling it a crutch because it is. I'm likely to play anyways, but I would just rather not have to completely change how I handle situations because there's a feature that makes that unneccesarily difficult.

I don't buy that it will make a difference to 90% of the players. We know to look for snipers, and after 10 plays on the same map, we'll know WHERE to look for them every time. With or without a glow, i'm going to spot that sniper. So is 90% of the games audience. The only people who won't are new players, and I'm OK with giving them a helping hand. Otherwise they might not stay long enough to become veterans

If that were true then the majority of players in FPS games wouldn't always * so much about features that allowed people to get away with it. I don't doubt that you can spot your average sniper, but if 90% of players are also that capable then how are snipers effective at all? But the point is that even if 90% of players can spot a sniper if they're looking for them why are we then making it so that 100% of players can spot them without having to look for them?

I'm fine with giving new players a hand to get into a game, but isn't that part of (as described in the Dev Diaries) the appeal of being able to build a character in the single player and co-op games and then bring them right over to the MP game? Players don't get better if they depend on crutches. I'd rather help a player learn to do it without the crutch so that when the crutch doesn't work the way they think it should they aren't helpless.

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You forgot Security Tower.