I am currently working on a mod for Morrowind in which I plan to make Boethiah's realm, Attribution's Share, accessible to the player. http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=959627&st=0&start=0. I don't plan on making it Bethesda's lazy version from Oblivion either. This is going to be unique...

However there doesn't seem to be too much information on the realm and it's denizens.

So I am looking for all the information I can get on Boethiah and his realm. Everything from what daedra reside there (I know hungers are under his authority, anything else?) to what the architectures looks like, to the color scheme. I have a concept humanoid daedra I plan on including in the realm as guards and such. To see screenies go to the thread link above.

I know it is mentioned somewhere that Boethiah directly influenced the Dunmeri Architecture. For my http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=890837&hl= (turned out to be too Deadlandish) I used the Dunmer Stronghold meshes, organized into strange towers and zigguarts and such. Is this plausible? Currently I have been debating using an Aztec type architecture in the realm. There is a great resource for a whole exterior tileset based on Aztec architecture. So I was mixing Aztec architecture with the Dunmer Stronghold tileset. Or maybe he would have a strange type of Velothi architecture...

So I am asking for lore information on Boethiah and the his realm. And I am also asking for maybe some speculation on additional lore which could be added to the realm so that it can be developed.

Thanks guys,

-Melchior

Well, I mentioned to Melchior the possibility that Fearstruck could be added. Although it was destroyed by the wyrm in the http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b037_lysirius.shtml, Martin (in OB) mentions that Daedric Artifacts can return to Nirn after some period of time, even after they have been destroyed. Hence, his comment, when you hand him an artifact for the http://www.imperial-library.info/tsoo/tsoo08.shtml quest, that the artifact will not be seen again for many years to come.

I imagine Attribution's Share to be a mixture between Terry Gilliam's Brazil and a British stately home garden (hedge mazes and all) with busts of politicians in it, and not at all with too much lava. The crooked towers probably just stand for Daedric architecture.

We have a worshiper of the daM doG in our midst!

That, or he actually read the description of the realm given in http://imperial-library.info/obscure_text/census_daedra.shtml and knows what he's talking about

And to the OP, I would suggest reading directly from http://imperial-library.info/obscure_text/census_daedra.shtml. It's a section of the PGE Third Edition that was omitted, but given back to the community by the good graces of MK.

AWW POO.

Aww Poopie pants!

AWWW FISHY STICKS.

Okay you got me. It's been a while since I read that. It strangely doesn't seem to add up with what I thought I knew about Boethiah's character but I'm pleasantly surprised. Then again this IS MK we're talking about. There may have been a little skoomer involved if ya know what I mean. And I think you do. glug glug glug. nudge. wink. Okay I got nothing.

Hmmm, I never saw Brazil. Maybe I'll look into it for influence

But there will definitely be hedge mazes!


Yes I have read from the excellent source. Thanks for the linky

Do you guys think that the "twisted towers" really refers to Daedric Architecture as seen in Morrowind or Oblivion? I sort of thought that since Boethiah influenced early Dunmer architecture that he would maybe have a architecture different then both of those.

*bump*


Perhaps you could interpret twisted as literal and metaphorical? There's the maze, that is "twisted" literally. The description of service to Beoethiah in http://www.imperial-library.info/dfbooks/b080_azura.shtml would make it seem, to our sensibilities, that Boethiah is rather 'twisted' metaphorically (as in, cruel, taking perverted delight in another's suffering).

Or, perhaps 'twisted' more in the sense that Boethiah's sphere is that of conspiracy, treason, secret plots of murder, etc. Ulterior motives, lies - all twist and warp the reality we shape with our speech (saying one thing, intending another).

Hehe, thanks


That is very true, thanks I will think about that some more. However it is easier to take it literally, simply because that way I have a starting point for what the architecture should look like. Otherwise it is all just a matter of opinion...

A compelling reason to take “twisted” literally is that fantastic literature tends to be pretty straightforward for a simple reason; as there is no direct reference to our common reality, it would be impossible to determine the meaning of the text, if an unambiguous reference to “objective reality” within the story wasn’t provided as well.

Example: If I write a story where the Clock Tower of Westminster Palace (Big Ben) is described as a “twisted tower” you might infer it was twisted in the sense of the goings on there and not geometrically.

If I write a story about a twisted tower that has no counterpart in the real world and you are told it is “twisted” you might assume it looks like the http://www.turningtorso.com/html/bildarkiv_en.htm in Malm?, Sweden, unless you are told otherwise at some point, especially if you have evidence of other twisted towers within the setting.

Since we know Boethiah taught architecture to the Dunmer, and the most spectacular traditional architecture is almost invariably religious, we might infer that the towers in his realm are indeed similar to those in Vvardenfell.




It's possible that SI was developed from an earlier concept of Attribution's Share, in the same way that it's plausible that Morrowind Hlaalu architecture derives from the http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=temple1cj6.png in Redguard and Daedric architecture in Morrowind is derived from the architecture of Battlespire.

Thanks for all that information and discussion Harke. I have been trying to http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=959627&hl= some more recently. So any other ideas on the realm are appreciated.

Not Lore, but expanding on what we know about Boethiah:

It?s likely there?s at least one Office Of Daedric Architecture. Perhaps an agent from the Atrius Building Commission and some members of the Architects Guild made their way there?

Since Boethiah’s followers practice arcano-politics, there are probably lots of political structures in his realm such as a curia*, a bouleutherion and a forum or two. There might also be places for hedgerow orations.

*You know, the kind of place with pillars and huge stairs where they stabbed Julius Ceasar to death.

That arcano-politic idea is interesting... now I will just need to look up what curia and bouleutherion mean. But that will certainly help with developing layout and background.

And I like the idea of the people you suggest which may be in the realm... although I will also look up background on them as well...

Thanks a bunch again!