Any comment on my triads and Talos question? I'd like to understand that much. The triads complete the missing god or void Talos fills, right?

The fire is mine: let it consume thee,
And make a secret door.
At the alter of Padhome,
In the House of Boet-hi-ah.
-Sermon 34

I'm convinced my answer is in this Sermon, though I can't crystalize the thought. It's bad enough to lapse into lines from the Sermons on the john, like a true Trinimac-eater.

I thought the triadic gods was referring to the Tribunal.

I thought that was very clear.

Yes. Now on their relationship, I mean.

I don't believe the Tribunal were the first or the last triadic powers.

Thief, Warrior, Mage

Lorkhan, Akatosh, Magnus.

Vehk, Ayem, Seht

Tiber, Zurin Arctus...

Yes, but I'm asking about Talos the unanticipated Divine. I was thinking 1 (or I, the Tower) and 3 (the Invisible Gate): 13 (the Serpent).

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_36_Lessons_of_Vivec#Sermon_Thirteen:

The sword is the cross and ALMSIVI is the Triune house around it. If there is to be an end I must be removed. The ruling king must know this, and I will test him. I will murder him time and again until he knows this. I am the defender of the last and the last. To remove me is to refill the heart that lay dormant at the center that cannot hold. I am the sword, Ayem the star, Seht the mechanism that allows the transformation of the world. Ours is the duty to keep the compromise from being filled with black sea.

Talos is God is Love. He is all and in all. (At least, fictionally speaking.) Oneness. Many-Headed. The Tower. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ0mua9u4A4.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_18:

Can a member of the Invisible Gate become so archaic that its successor is not so much an improvement of the exact model, but rather a related model that is just needed more because of the currency of the world's condition?



So the triadics are replaced... when the assault of disbelief, or the Void, enfeebles them too badly to protect their World. Then is this adaptation the true scheme of the World-Eating? The mechanism to replace our Guardians, so the world won't fill with Void? Or is the World-Eating the encroaching wave of black sea?

Interestingly, within Sermon 29 you will see 36 paired with the Serpent. The 36 Lessons are for the ruling king to know. The two-headed ruling king is Talos, the red jewel of conquest. (Yes, also for Nerevar re-born, but in this instance, I'm not worried whether the Hortator was murdered.) But moving onward, the Serpent is the receptacle of the Upstart; the place of the Missing God. Talos fed himself to the Hungry Stomach.

What I am saying is, know love. And for starts, don't quarrel.

I am sure you all knew this and by even posting this it is a display of ignorance, but I assume that the Chimere Graegyn in this thread is the same as the one who cheated Dagon in http://www.imperial-library.info/content/battlespire-harvests-end-3e-172. Figured I would leave that here as something else for you all, who know much more than I to look at.

I never read that one. Never played Battlespire. It was kind of them to give us a break from dragons.

....Damn. Battlespire sounds so much more interesting now...

I think he meant the eight divines that we already have, plus those extra four, equals twelve. Like those daedra he lists were divines of this world, but became daedra again.

I see what you mean about them not having to be the traidic gods, but just one set of them. Though, isn't he saying that this particular set which is the Tribunal wasn't supposed to be in this world? It sounds to me like the Tribunal were supposed to be what their Anticipation daedra would become in the next world, but "usurped them before their time."

I'll need to read their letters again. I remember Chimere's confusion with what world he was in. That's hilarious, though. How they steal the scene from the next world.

Funny, but adding four to the eight gives 12, just like subtracting four from sixteen gives you 12 as well.

Meridia, Peryite, Malacath (as Trinimac) and Dagon (as Magnus) on one side with the eight divines, plus the original 12 Daedra on the other.

And then there's Lorkhan, the odd man out, who can swing from one side (Shezarr) to the other (Sheogorath) and back again.

This is of course, assuming Jyggalag and Sheogorath were separate entities in the Dawn Era, just like they are in the Fourth Era.

Well, this is certainly something...

I didn't think Sheogorath existed before Jyggy was cursed.

More importantly, before Lorkhan was "dead".

Jyggalag is the center void of Mundus - the Hunger of the demon Anuiel, ever eating himself. I would think he's a better candidate for the 'chief' than Peryite, being sort of a high or altruistic selfishness, but the letters imply otherwise. Maybe Anuiel has changed his mind, and Jyggalag does not represent his self, anymore. Maybe low and base Peryite can.

I'm betting that Jyggalag will become the Triminac to Peryite's Auriel.

but it has already been established that Triminac is stronger than Jyggalag and that Auriel is stronger than Peryite. This War, while a feat of FUGE badassery among the Bethesda Writers, seams like it'll be over quick (unless some more reconning goes on)

Where is this established?

Though if you're correct that's only as pertains to this kalpa, it seems like the transition is able to result in alot of shifting.

Isn't a god only as strong as it's sphere is important?

MK's list of the strongest beings in TES

I thought I read somewhere that it wasn't to be taken seriously, as in he mentioned "Number Crunching" as a reference to the DnD days where as if these were DnD character thats the order they would be in strength.

In Mundus: yes. Overall: no.

Auriel | Akatosh | et cetera was the most powerful et'ada. He beats up all the moments that haven't yet been caused to happen, putting him at orders of magnitude of higher power than any other spirit. Even the other gods within their realms seem to be somewhat under his influence.

Currently, Auriel is pretty powerful, but he's no longer the absolutely most powerful. A few individuals have won fights against him: the Tribunal, the Marukhati, and the Numidium. He's losing power, and someone else will have to take his place. Now, we haven't really seen much of Peyrite's raw might, but given his description of 'ordering the lowest orders of oblivion' it's possible he just might be the spirit to take the job. Remember, Oblivion is the chaotic realm - ordering it is a lot harder than ordering the anuic side of creation. Plus, its possible that the lowest order of Oblivion (an abyss) could actually be the most powerful / supreme area. God stands on the highest cloud of heaven | Satan reclines in the deepest pit of hell.

Once this Kalpa is done, the spirits who fought in this arena will be wiped. They'll spend centuries recovering from their deaths. In the meantime, a new group of spirits will take their roles. Basically, I think there's going to be some cross mantling going on. When y=x and y=-x intersect, you can't really tell if that's what's happening, or if y=|x| and y=-|x| are intersecting, or if |y|=x and -|y|=x are intersecting. That's how the myths we know have missed out on this. Shor son of Shor was wrong, in a way, when it said, "Shor as always forgets the above, and condemns himself and any other who would believe him into this cycle" but in a really understandable way. Last time around, there probably was a different et'ada responsible for tricking the world into creation, but mortals don't really care.

There is also a loose rubric for estimating a god's power and dominance.




You can find this between Nu-Hatta and the Intercepts.

Woah, I just got this awesome picture of Peryite leaning back in his chair behind the scenes Prof Moriarty style, orchestrating all the mahem of the world above while making it look like Dagon or Bal are really acting on their own.