http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-book-dragonborn Since we don't have a CS to export the book files, I typed it by hand from screenshots.

The Light of Man as an Akaviri invention?
Existence and importance of towers and the Wheel reaffirmed!
Confirmation of the Tsaesci as a long-lost tribe of men (at least in the religious sense)?
Chimere-Marog letters right about Daedra supplanting the Eight!
Is there really any connection between Dragonborn, the emperors, and Thu'um, or is it a case of overlapping definitions?
The White-Gold really has fallen, as was hypothesized!

Discuss

There aren't any spoilers, unless you've not been keeping up with Skyrim or the lore in the past year.

OH [censored] MY COPY IS GETING HERE IN 30 MINUTES I AM SO [censored] EXCITED [censored] [censored] [censored] I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE ALL THE NEW LORE AND READ ALL THE BOOKS. I CAN'T E'EN STAY STILL FOR LONG. NEED SKYRIM.

"When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world

When the Brass Tower walks and Time is reshaped

When the thrice-blessed fail and the Red Tower trembles

When the Dragonborn Ruler loses his throne, and the White Tower falls

When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding

The World-Eater wakes, and the Wheel turns upon the Last Dragonborn."

Chaos= misrule. Arena.
Brass tower= Numidium. Dagerfall.
Thrice blessd= Tribunal. Red tower = Vvardenfall. Morrowind.
White Tower (White-like-gold) = White Gold. Oblivion.
This all is obvious.

BUT: Is the stone of High Hrothgar the High King of Skyrim?

I took that as the Lords of Misrule (Daedra) occupying the Eight 'corners'/spokes of Mundus. Though I see how Arena makes more sense chronologically.


The way it says "Snow Tower lies sundered" makes me think that the Nords are the stone of the tower. They keep coming back they return there at the end/beginning of each kalpa, after all.

AE: I love how the all-caps in your post matches the Ehlnofex in your username.

I really really want to read this, but my game will be here in like a half hour. *waits*

Dude. Pelagius Septim IV? The Order of Talos lasted until 360 4e as a major open organization. I'm excited to see the metaphysicy-stuff, but we've seen that before. What excites me is the new insight into how semi-ordinary people interacted with the divine in the 4e. They seem to understand that Tseasci are like a whole-race shezzarine.

Also, what if dragon born comes from the term dragon blooded, meaning "having caused a dragon to bleed" not "having the blood of a dragon in your veins"

I also wonder if the fourth Pelagius was as mad as the third.

Fantastic! I cannot wait to start playing the game, or at the very least, get my hands on those books.

I think the line has to be taken at slightly more than face value, and one at least has to wonder why they chose to use the term misrule. If nothing else it elevates the Staff's significance to the level of a tower and makes it one of the vital keys the kalpa cycle (as opposed to say, Crystal Tower or Falinesti). Apart from just filling in the chronology it's an odd candidate for 'item-of-kapla-changing-significance'.

In interpreting in light of the letters there are three things of curiosity. The first is that it is an agent of a Daedric Prince who supplants this 'misrule' into the eight corners of the world. The second is that we never really knew what Tharn was really after, what his end goal was, because I assume he didn't just become Emperor for the kicks and giggles (or power/status, give he was already being Imperial Battlemage). The third is that we aren't even really sure what the Staff itself was made to do. What if spreading out the staff was part of his plan, and not just a technique for hiding the thing that could kill him? How does the agent of a Daedric Prince causing 'misrule to take its place at the eight corners of the world' vibe mythically.

It says the Third Era.

Brasstowerredtowersnowtower

MUAH. HA. HA. And HA.

Edit: Guess I was wrong about White-Gold, though. If it fell (with the destruction of the Stone?), then we're back at the old question of what keeps the Daedra out in absence of Red Tower. I don't want to believe in Akatosh's barrier.

Wow that was stupid of me to miss. I'm operating on no sleep at all. I played Skyrim from ~ 12:00 to 7:00

It's possible it's "fall" wasn't literal so much as it stopped working, and then we fixed it. Option 2: The Statue of Akatosh completely supplanted it's role.

I think that has to be the best possible reason for being unalert at this point.

Let me tell you, it really is.

Other than the towers being affirmed, what picked my interest was how big the snake-men were in the role of the Dragonborn and dragonbornism thereof.

I MUST READ IT AGAIN! MUST FIND MORE BOOKS!

This is off-topic (and I apologize) but for my fellow-book-readers: you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till you scan the bookshelves on certain mountain-top. Lore is BACK, baby!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKWpGJ4Xhw8

I practically fell over when I saw this particular book mentioning Towers and such, for all that people have argued that the whole Tower business isn't canon. It was love.

I think the thing with the Lord of Misrule and Eight Corners refers directly to the Staff of Chaos being split into eight parts and sent to the corners of Tamriel by Jagar Tharn (Ala, Arena.)

Snow Tower is likely some kind of divine connection between Shor and the Nordic peoples, sort of representative somehow of the Lorkhan/Akatosh duality, with the king's assassination breaking that.

"When the White Tower falls" could be referring to when the Thalmor took the Imperial City. Then again, probably not, as that line should be referring to the events of TES4.

Not merely to the events of TES4, but to the breaking of the Pact of Alessia with Akatosh, which was really the culmination of what happened in Oblivion. White-Gold symbolized that pact and now it's rendered powerless. I get the impression that while the Statue of Akatosh performs the same functions as a Tower (that is, anchoring Nirn to the Mundus and thus keeping it seperate from Oblivion), the fact that the Pact itself is broken (Which was really Dagon's and the Mythic Dawn's ultimate goal when you get down to it; as so long as that Pact is there, Akatosh cannot eat the current kalpa to begin a new one, freeing Dagon from himself) is a big reason behind exactly why Akatosh-Alduin is doing his thing in Skyrim.

When you get down to it, if belief is power on Nirn (which is why the Pact of Alessia had the power it did), what Akatosh really was trying to do with that whole thing was gain enough belief that, post Lorkhan's "betrayal", he could eat the world, freeing himself again from Lorkhan's machinations. That Alessia found the whole "Akatosh" thing as a midpoint between Shor and Auriel is a convenience that both found beneficial. It was a mutually agreeable thing at the time, but now, Akatosh no longer needs it.

Akatosh and Alduin are aspects of the same being; one of Linear time and one of Cyclical. With these events manifest, they are served as one.


I kind of went off on a tangent there, but essentially what I'm trying to say is the Book of the Dragonborn confirms a lot of things I've long suspected.

Not so sure about that--Tiber Septim was dragonborn, but there weren't any dragons around at the time (I think they imply that in Skyrim, even though previous lore books seem to suggest that dragons WERE around). It is curious, though, that the book conflates the Pact of Alessia and the Dragonfires with being dragonborn: there's been no indication thus far that the other Septims could perform a thu'um. Perhaps the opportunity never arose, due to the lack of dragons?

I just started playing Skyrim (less than 6 hours) and found a book about the Oblivion Crisis on the Summurset Isles. "The Rising Threat vol 1." It also talks about towers

spoilers (doesn't affect the game, hidden for those who want to discover it themselves) ...

Actually, there were Dragon's, not just implied either. Nafaaliargus was used in the Battle of Hunding Bay at Stros Mkai and was essential to defeating the Crown Fleet.

Yeah, I agree. It's clear to me each line refers to a different game: staff scattered to eight corners; brass tower and reshaped time; failure of the Tribunal; Septim line ending; and civil war in Skyrim.

Yeah, that's what I thought. I was saying that Skyrim implied that there weren't any dragons, which didn't match up to what we knew before.

Nope. P__________.

For those who want to find this out whilst playing the game. It made me really disappointed when I find out.