At the same time, the Commonwealth developed the majority of their own tech. So the Brotherhood has no room to object to them using it. Now something like HELIOS One, I could see them coming to blows over since the Brotherhood thinks all Pre-War tech is their jurisdiction.



True, but the US never had to deal with catastrophic food shortages and large swaths of highly irradiated landscape on its march west.

Hell, by the time they hit my backyard (Nebraska) they'd likely be forced to turn back. Given Offutt Air Force Base is home to the US Strategic Command, it's likely the Chinese hammered the area hard. Probably turned the whole state into a "Super Glow".

Unless you took the diplomatic route in FONV, the West-Coast BOS doesn't have a very bright future. They were outnumbered 100-1 in Mojave after the failed defense of Helios One. I can't imagine the rest of the WCBOS faired much better after the NCR-BOS war from 2241-2281; because of the NCR's numerical superiority, the BOS's refusal to recruit out of their own ranks, and attrition warfare can whittle even the best army, wink-wink, USA... The Midwest Brotherhood, yeah I know they're Tactics and not canon, would fair the best because they recruited 50 tribes, ghouls, and defeated mutants from Chicago to Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado. Then they captured The Calculator's autofactories to make mechs and robot soldiers, along with the combined scientific knowledge of all the Vault-Tec scientists' brains The Calculator had harvested. Plus Vault Zero likely had a GECK, so Cheyenne Mountain would've went from an irradiated pseudo-Glow to something like Vault City after the MWBOS victory. Elder Lyons' East Coast Brotherhood would also thrive because they threw out the Codex like the MWBOS to rebuild their numbers and foster goodwill with the DC Wastelanders. After getting James' water purifier and kicking the Enclave's @55 in DC, they'd be nearly unstoppable. 2/3 isn't too bad, but the heart and conscience of the WCBOS died with Elder Maxson in 2161 when he was assasinated by The Vipers Raiders band.

As far from the part about vertibirds this is, vertibirds were liquid fueled and were only short range, thats why the enclave had a monopoly on them because they had the only real source of fuel, so thus they could fuel their vertibirds, even though it makes no sense that they werent fusion powered, but maybe they made them fuel powered to stop others from accessing them since they basically controlled the only source of fuel.

Their power was already diminishing at the time of F2 and seeing how they practically lost the war with NCR, I see no way for them to survive. I personally wouldn't mind BoS being completely wiped out. As long as they are going out in style, that is.

BoS will never be wiped out. They may be unconscious, but they'll never be truly dead.

They were big in FO1, you started to see them dwindling in FO2, in FO3 you realize they are trying the regain power out east, in NV you kind of decide the fait of the struggling western power. I think they will forever remain on the east now.

Only in the West. Numbers being so small in FO2 could be due to BoS sending at least half of the BoS East in FO Tactics. I know Tactics was made after FO2 but it is based between FO1 and FO2. They could have also had more members in other areas. Still their numbers going down is mainly due to no new blood.

Yeah but I meant the original BoS. Midwestern and Eastern are just splinter factions who can keep doing whatever they are doing as long as I'm concerned.

The guy at the San Fransico Bunker was killed by Frank Horrigan, so chances are the plan's didn't make it out.


How is it awful? It's the rise of a new regional power.

According to Fallout Tactics, the Brotherhood is a major power in the midwest. Even though they broke the codex by recruiting the local tribals, they also gained a lot of power and influence there. Even if the Western Brotherhood dies out, the Eastern Brotherhood (both in the Midwest and DC area) will still have power, mostly due to the fact that the two accept recruits from outside the Brotherhood.

I think that the West Coast BOS is dead, meanwhile the East Coast become a powerful faction, and maybe have conflicts with the Outcast

Honestly i don't think the outcasts are going to be a problem they'll probobly end up just backing off when they realize that Lyons had the right idea and they look like the deserters and they also are less of BOS because they deserted their brothers which i think is pretty much forbidden.

The WCBOS is dead, espeically after I buried them under 6 ft of rock. The Midwest and Texas ones aren't canon. As far as the East Coast goes, I see a land of possiblity. If they're able to control D.C. with those super mutants, raiders and enclave they can easily expand. I can see the Brotherhood creating a confederation between Megaton, Rivet City, Them, and anywhere else that wants to receive the water. Those towns give troops to the BOS and give them all high level tech and in engage they get water and moderate protection.

The ones you blow up in New Vegas are just the Mojave chapter not the whole western BoS. Second Midwestern (FO Tactics) BoS are Canon they were talked about in FO3. Eastern BoS will never control the DC super mutants or the Enclave. There is also the Outcast to be taken care of.

As for the BoS in Texas, yeah they are not canon.

Wait Wait wait
A. If the NCR (which is spread more thin) in the Mojave can send the BOS into a bunker for hiding for years it's only a natural that on NCR home turf when the troops are basically unlimited they're gone or are going to be gone. Not only that but if the canon is that the NCR wins ( I believe it is) then the way I won it the BOS is dead like dirt. And if a new elder arises that doesn't like the NCR or wants Isolantionism if they strike a deal they won't last long.
B. Only the major plot points of Tacitics is canon and I doubt that theyll really expand on it. From what that Scribe in the BOS said they're only described in canon as a rogue detachment. Not very major and still suffers problems like continued use of Power Armor (them manfactorucing new suits can't possibly be canon) and restoring population after battles.
C. You act as if Super Mutants are infinite, guess what. They're out of FEV! The green stuff! Not only that but they can't reproduce. Plus Valut 87 is the only source of Super Mutants, and you slaugther the place on your hunt for G.E.C.K. (remember that?) Which means two things.
A. The only ones left in the whole region are straggles in the ruins and countryside that can't reproduce
B, They're going to all die evenutally. Even if they kill a human you can always make more humans. But not Mutants with no FEV.

Hows the Enclave going to come back? The dead bodies going to reanimate? And the outcast? Most of them are slaughtered at the end of Anchroage Point, and with the BOS new tech and gains I don't see how they are a major threat. (I killed them anyway but i know that's not canon). The BOS won the day, and they brought clean water to the region. They have the most hopeful future on the east coast.

First I agree about the super mutants they are out of FEV and the BoS and others will kil them off in time. I just miss read your post and thought you were talking about controlling the super mutants and enclave. I was wrong. I know the Enclave are gone so I agree with you about that as well.

The Western BoS are spread out and are stronger then just one chapter sent to the Mojave. That chapter was forced underground because they had a weak leader and they did not have large numbers. I doubt they are gone.

Midwestern BoS are talked about in FO3 even if its just a small rogue detachment. Maybe thats all Lyons could find of them because thats all they wanted Lyons to find. Only way to get Lyons out of their lands and stop looking for them was to convince Lyons they were only small numbers left. Beth calls the Major Events of Tactic canon which means they did start out in Chicago and made it all they way to Colorado and they did have large numbers to do so.