I think the Enclave deserves more focus. A cool option would be if the character somehow falls into a stasis and they go through what happened at Navarro. You can choose sides there

the brotherhood died out in the mojave long a go so it wouldnt make sense

I m not sure what fo3 some of you played, but in the one I played they didn t destroy aafb. I destroyed a mobile crawler, but Lyons bos was all over that place later. Rothchild mentions the piles of Enclave tech they got there. The dude at the purifier mentions all the Enclave tech they got through fighting them.

They recruit, the use all types of weapons, they have vertibirds.

Wiki says they now have pa mkll, telsa pa, hellfire pa, vertibids, telsa cannons,plasma rifles. So I think its pretty safe to say that the next time we see them they will be a serious power.

Lyons bos is now the face of the bos. The westcoast bos should have taken notes instead of hanging him out to dry.

It may defy lore, but I would have liked some way of building back the Mojave BoS to their former glory, beginning with helping them take over Helios One and ending with them taking over Hoover Dam. I'm sure Yes Man and BoS paths could have been merged to create a technology-oriented BoS Vegas.

There are too many nv scenarios, so no comment on nv bos.

It's just an option I was considering. They could have fleshed out an Independent Vegas a little more, instead of making it a re-hash of Mr. House's questline.

no comment on nv endings. too many scenarios

Ok, well if anyone does want to comment, I just want to say that I meant the independent route should have given more freedom in selecting allies that could actually be productive to your cause. Why can't the BoS help you with the agreement that you'll let them control Helios One, examine Securitron tech, or examine Hoover Dam. Or if the Boonmers were allowed complete air superiority and given a Gun Runners factory to operate. I was really not too happy with the independent option.

I ll comment on yes man........... abortion

I'm quite a big bos fan (yes i have john henry eden as my avatar i'm little hypocritical) and even i the one with a bos fetish have to agree let the other factions have a chance to jive me up :tops: .@ the rook i have to agree the yes man route should have been aborted it was terrible "so have you looked at these factions " courier "yip" and all you have to do is discover the location and thats it and most of them you would have and the ending is just mr house copy with a slight used taste to it like a cheap hoker.

Whilst I don't think a BoS-based DLC like this would work given NV's storylines and lore I do find myself surprised that so many people would rather not see the BoS at all in FO anymore.

They're a staple of FO, part of what makes FO what it is, along with super mutants, vaults and nuka-cola.

I also don't foresee a Legion DLC as I suspect (I'm sure the devs know for certain based on achievements) that most people didn't go for Legion as their faction of choice.

I think Legion were supposed to be like Ashur in the Pitt, bad on the surface but possibly not when scratching beneath the surface.

I know there are some arguments for why the Legion aren't as bad as we may think but in game this isn't really communicated all that well or they do things that contradict any idea that their brutality belies a nobler purpose.

To me they'd need to rewrite some of the vanilla content to make a Legion DLC worthwhile - bearing in mind that whilst you could have a DLC that gives more quests for both the NCR and the Legion, it wouldn't really address the current imbalance unless around 75-80% of the new quests were for the Legion which, without revising the Legion, would not be worthwhile for people who prefer NCR and splitting quests even 50/50 between NCR/Legion would still leave the game with far more NCR quests than Legion.

I don't think people dislike the bos they have a pizazz to them but i think we have all kind of OD on them.

this.

I was saying the exact same thing, but with less aggression. The Yes Man option could possibly have been the most in-depth option, but due to time constraints (or whatever other reason), it was just a re-done Mr. House. It could have been developed to include forming actual long-term alliances (as opposed to "I help you with a problem, you send some cannon fodder to help at the Dam"). I would have like to see the BoS, or Boomers (maybe even both, as it should be possible with 100 speech) spreading out in the Wasteland, occupying positions like Helios One, which both could benefit from. also, after killing Mr. House, you should start getting access to his treasury. Evil karma players can just hoard it, while good karma players can donate it to the Followers. This could lead to interesting possibilities, where you see more Followers personnel in Freeside, and less crime. the lazy players could just deal with Vegas itself, but the resulting chaotic wasteland should be reflected in the ending slides.

Your preeching to the choir, no really not to call it like you see it.

Yes Man= abortion

You're hopeless. Each and every time, you pay no attention to what I say. That's ok, I'm not one to get into online arguments, anyway, so let's just stop this before it gets out of hand.

man, i really woulden't like to be on the shoes of the poor guys/girls that have to write DLC's and the next FO's after New Vegas, cuse it's going to be messy with all the possible outcomes we have in NV, verry few things can be salvaged to keep the story going either they isolate the events in NV or it's going to be a hard sell :whistling:

Haha, so true. I'm guessing House will be the canon ending. Yes Man is too open and dependent on the player, NCR would be far too powerful and in-game politics would have no point after their takeover, while Caesar's Legion would completely destroy Vegas, and the pre-war glory that it symbolizes. House, on the other hand, is what one could call the rightful leader of Vegas, although some of his methods are questionable.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1178024-i-find-this-funny/

What are you talking about I agreed with you ( I spelled some words wrong and had a typo or two) Yes Man is garbage..... He has no point, he controls you....... Yes Man is the dumbest part of a bad 4 endings.

IMHO

I think what they were trying to do with the BoS in NV was show how they're loosing power. Their main goal is too take advanced peices of technology, keep it to themselves and wait for everyone on the surface and not a memeber of the BoS to die out. But it's obvious with massive factions like the NCR that that isn't going to happen. The BoS's main goal was never really a smart one, and thats starting to show. So I think the Mojave BoS rising up and taking hoover dam would be abit far fetched, even for a fallout game.

I actually like some of that, the independant root is really because you want to be either a liberator or a greedy bastard. I have to disagree on the Boomers though, they haven't left the same few square acres of land in 50 years and had ample oppertuinty to do so before the factions arrived; they want to take in the wasteland very slowly and, from some dialouge, it can even be said that the children are more crazy than the elders.

"The youngsters wanted to shell a real target..."

The BoS do occupy some Helios ONE (bastards) in some endings, but really their numbers are shot to pieces and I don't think that reinforcements either cannot or are not willing to break through strong NCR lines.

Most of you are forgetting the main reason on why the mojave BoS is so freaking weak. it really had nothing to do with them lossing power, they got stuck defending a postion where they had NO tatical advantage that their Elder at the time Elijah had an obession with. He wanted to get the weapon figured out and powered up before anyone else did against the protest of his paladins, knights, scribes, w/e. They cant retreat unless ordered to by their leader. So yeah, they lost alot of their members to the NCR becaues of ELIJAH, not because their dying out.

CW Bos and WC Bos are two competely different groups now. Elder Lyons wants to protect the people of the CW, the outcast who broke away from them are the bigots of the WC BoS, so stop saying their the same. NCR would take YEARS to reach the East Coast where Lyon's BoS are so you cant say that the CW Bos wouldnt have become much stronger by then.

quit bickering, enjoy the games, and wait and see what they do.

I wouldn't expect to see a BoS DLC, if only because it seems to me that Veronica's quest was a way to address the overall state (and even opinion) of BoS. And no, I'm not even talking about within the game. It could be perceived as a "Hey, we've had them around enough, now the player can either do what they must to put them out of their misery or they can try to help them for some God-awful reason."

Though, I say that as a person who has only read about Fallout 1 & 2 on the internets, and heard all about it from my boyfriend. I've only put time into NV.

But why address BoS in a DLC when you have them in the game already, connected to several quests~

I won't lie, I also stopped reading the replies to this forum after about page 2. I just did a ctrl+f search for Veronica to make sure I wasn't double posting. All in all, I'm tired of seeing BoS, even after playing just NV.

play the other games first then