.. Why would they even do that?
If I were them Id landmine the only way out and set snipers.
Then Id have the beaten remants of the snipers 'pursued' straight into a trap.
Tactics.. tactics..

Also.. no, not 100 to one, again youre making them gods. 10: 1 on NCR, possibly 20:1 on legion.

I think the main problem here is that you are arguing gameplay mechanics while I am arguing actual tactics and war as they exist in reality.
Im really sorry, but bad guys do not all wear a black hat and some of them can aim.
And in real life another word for hero is deceased.

Mini nukes? You do realize they're more then rare in the Mojave right?

Also like MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID it's not JUST weapons that's gonna win it for the brotherhood. Just look at the situation they're in. They're main base is a nice little hole in the ground, perfect to be blown up. They have no means of reinforcements. Every single hit the Legion with make will scar the brotherhood. It'll make them weaker and weaker and weaker. Eventually the Brotherhood will give in and the Legion will obliterate them.

Take it like a brike wall. Solid at first but after every hit it get weaker. Eventually one brick will give in and it will be easier to take them out. One by one the bricks will fall and the wall will be knocked down leaving nothing but what was once it's foundation.

How many times has history shown us that it doesn't take number to win a war. Hell the Roman empire fell apart against small groups of tribes. That's what happens when you get too big, you can't even make the machine function properly.

If were going to pull out the WW2 argument may i add that the Soviet troops were poorly trained, poorly equipped, and poorly feed.

Not even all the Russian troops got weapons.

They are called the "Legion" for a damn reason. The Legion is ripe with recruits, it grows everyday. Does the BOS?

Just for fun I am going to repost this question

NCR won against the Mojave BoS. Therefore the Legion can as well. Now can anyone tell me why they can't without some crap reason like "the Legion wear skirts and only have melee weapons."

NCR's main weapons is one of the worst pieces of crap in the game and their armour is no better then the common legion armour. Better since they have more freedom of movement. Common NCR armour is no better at stopping Gauss Weapons and Laser Gattlings then Legion Armour.

Because it's the only chance they have ... There is no other alternative for them..
The Brotherhood is way more knowledgeable in the ways of warfare compared to the Legion who, going on what we've learned from in-game, aren't exactly tacticians. They understand the basics of warfare but when it comes down to it, the Legion prefers to fight straight up in a dog fight. And if that's what they want against the Brotherhood...it's gonna be a turkey shoot..

Because of Gatling Lasers and Power Fists.

The Roman empire fell apart due to internal feuds of power and corruption, not due to an outside force.

And yet they won :thumbsup:

Not to talk bad against the Allies but WW2 in Europe was mostly USSR vs Germany. Most of the fighting done was between them.

If the United States didn't interfere, The Germans would have taken over the Soviet Union. If the Germans didn't invade the Soviet Union, they would have beaten the United States.

This is actually a good example, because Germany was basically taking over all of Europe from west to east.

Because the answer is so blatantly obvious within the confines of these pages that we figured you'd look it up for yourself.
Plain and simple, The Legion don't posses the numbers the NCR do, nor do they possess the technology the NCR do. The NCR didn't win on their numbers alone. Their tech was good enough to stand their ground while their numbers tipped the balance in their favor. The Legion doesn't have that advantage, nor do they even have as many troops as stated above.

I'm only saying this once. Russia beat Germany in WW II becuase Hitler got greedy. Instead of concentrating his forces in Stalingrad, he split them in half to go after some oil reserves so he could "win" faster. This left his forces exposed, their supply lines vulnerable and the Germans froze to death.

That and the Russians had some rediculously bad ass snipers. Men who grew up on the farm and had practiced at shooting moving targets through the eye. So once again, training and tactics trumped training, technology and numbers.

Once again pre helios one...

I guess that is their case. What they stick to in their belief in BoS superiority and the Legions supposed ass backwards army.

Yet they always seem to ignore or over look that the NCR was able to win and their most common weapons are no better at fighting a man in a tank suit then the Legion :ermm:

its pretty clear that the bos has more weapons then they do men. They even have people who now how to fix weapons. They recycle ammo too. They don t like to use recycled ammo, but in this case I think they may have too. I know war isn t a movie. Look all the times in wwll a US forces killed 800- 1000 japs charging their position.

The British sustained over 54 000 casualties charging the Germans in a 24 hour period during the battle of Somme in wwl . 6 British sas killed over 200 Iraqis before Desert Storm.

Real life tells me you can t quick march into mini guns. Your people will get slaughtered.

The Russians had a massive army and overall pretty decent war tech. Their small arms were quite adequate, especially compared to the Germans, and the T-34 tank was likely the best tank of WW2 on a track record scale. Don't know where the misconception comes from that the Russians were barbarians with sticks and rocks during WW2. Their tech was decent.

Some got a gun and a few rounds. Some got just a few rounds. One guy died, you picked up his rifle, loaded your rounds into it and fought.

They didn't win because of poor equipment/ numbers. They won because of strategy, because they outlasted the Germans in THEIR turf. They knew the germans wouldn't stop pushing and they abused that. They knew the germans were equiped for warm enough weather, They knew they wouldn't last the winter and they were right. When it hit, they were done. To cold to do anything, supplies were short. No time to get reinforcements. Their only options were to fall back and face the Fuher, die by the hands of the russians or commit suicide. None of those were good.

Enough real world stuff though, no need to get a warning for this.

But this is simply not true.
Caesar was a follower of the apocalypse and thus had access to a lot of old world data.
Including history, as he has modelled his empire almost seamlessly unto that of the old Romans.
(Though he could have had use of a few more books on latin grammar.)

The legion are by far the superior tacticians in the game of New Vegas, aside from mr. House who is essentially crippled unless the courier intervenes.
No matter his education, Caesar has proven to be a tactical genius.
Their shock and awe conquer tactics, their burning of resisting settlements coupled with the cruxifictions..
Its only a mercy in game they arent real cruxifictions they are only bound up there.
This is exactly the reason the Romans conquered Europa. Nobody dared stand up to them for a long time after what happened to those that did. No organised resistance.
New Vegas Caesar ruthlessly and mercilessly exploits human psyche to build an empire.
In my mind he is evil and he is insane, because he is incpable of seeing people as something other than things to be used.
He is a sociopath, and his empire emulates this by being sociopathic.

Would they win?
Hell yes.

Legion don't have the same numebrs as the NCR but they still out number the BoS greatly.

NCR's most common weapons and armour are crap and the BoS lost to common troops. They did not send in Heavy weapons troops and NCR Rangers. NCR went into the Mojave thinking they would fight tribals, therefore they did not send in large numbers of the best troops.

Legion has the advantage. They have more men then Mojave BoS have bullets. Legion have entire armies spanning an empire that covers states. Mojave BoS have Helios One and no more then 500 or so troops and that is a rather high number I am just throwing out there.

Who said they were poorly equipped? The Germans had planes. Air superiority is the trump card when it comes to technology. That's why the Enclave is so useful at the Dam.

Yes that's right. I used an example from the game to prove a real world concept to prove a point about the game. How do you like my ciclical reasoning?!

Actually, the Russians fell back on a proven tactic and it worked for them again.
It should be noted that axis made the furthest advance into Russian territory since forever.

Youre thing about a gun and picking up rounds is pure hollywood. Im not even gonna.

Dude come on, it doesn't matter if they run out of ammo as long as they have power fists.

The NCR is trained to fight in a modern style. CL is trained to die. After the British took over 54 000 casualties in the Battle of Somme in a 24 hour period in wwl, after the US lost 10 000 men first contact with German lines in wwl the world move away from quick maching men into machines that a built to kill many men in a rapid repeatative motion. BOS doesn t have muzzle loaders or muskets. They have seroius weapons made to kill alot of people really fast.

CL attack style is not like NCR. Ceaser never read about the battle of Somme or wwl at all for that matter.

Yeah sorry, my history isn't exacly the best. I know I've been told that thing about the guns from my history teacher though, I could swear it was bout the russians in WWII. Hmmm, gonna have to look that up some time.

Bah whatever. The point about tactics is still there.