BOS vs. Legion

Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:30 pm

The Legion can't achieve victory over Securitrons, and they've got roughly equivalent firepower while being more susceptible to fire. Your argument doesn't even make any sense. Guided missiles and nuclear bombs are not going to lose to beskirted creeps with lawnmower blades.


Never once have I talked about securitons who are far greater in number than brotherhood and have superior tactics and guidance.
Do not try to muddle the argument with fallacious tactics.
See my above post, I am done with a discussion in wich people favour defending their own preference over actually debating and validating anothers post on its merits.
Fine, have it your way. be the laughing stock of every tactician and historian ever. Sure, the brotherhood wins.
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:45 pm

History says otherwise.
History says that not once, not ever did an isolated faction survive a siege from a well organised force without outside aid.
But, sure, have it your way and be laughed at by tacticians and historians alike.
Im done with this conversation.
People wish to press their beliefs without even looking at what argument someone else presents, fine.

Jesus H. Christ you [censored] [censored] goddamned [censored] are you even reading any of this? The Brotherhood have actual nuclear weapons. Name me a force in history that survived being attacked with nuclear weapons. Go on. I've got all [censored] night.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:24 am

Jesus H. Christ you [censored] [censored] goddamned [censored] are you even reading any of this? The Brotherhood have actual nuclear weapons. Name me a force in history that survived being attacked with nuclear weapons. Go on. I've got all [censored] night.


Hold on i got one...ja...nope lost it...lets see NONE. zip natta.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:54 am

You mean one side and thats the Legion. Your severely underestimating the BOS. I dont think you realize the equipment they have. Like Elder mcnamera said when you got rid of the NCR ranger"good, you used his fear of the powder gangers to get him away when he has no clue of what is far more powerful under these bunkers"(it went something like that)

Sure the Legion can charge with a bunch of guns but will those guns penatrate there armor? Lol NO.


I think everyone underestimates both sides. That said, I still think the Legion have a chance. They're trained to find weakness's in enemies and exploit them. They would surely find a weakness in the BOS battle plan/ way they fight/ whatever else and exploit that to [censored].

NOTE: I'm not saying the BOS could never win, I mean it's definetly possible but it seems more likely the Legion will win because of they're tactics, battle plans, strategies and even weapons. They wouldn't also go in head on balls to the wall. If they can find a different way to do it, they will, just like the did for Searchlight.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:15 am

Never once have I talked about securitons who are far greater in number than brotherhood and have superior tactics and guidance.
Do not try to muddle the argument with fallacious tactics.
See my above post, I am done with a discussion in wich people favour defending their own preference over actually debating and validating anothers post on its merits.
Fine, have it your way. be the laughing stock of every tactician and historian ever. Sure, the brotherhood wins.

You're [censored]in' A right the Brotherhood wins. The legions numbers don't mean jack [censored] when you look at the ordnance the BOS could rain down upon them like God pissing on Soddom and Gomorrah. There is no chance for Legion survival at all. None.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:13 am

You're [censored]in' A right the Brotherhood wins. The legions numbers don't mean jack [censored] when you look at the ordnance the BOS could rain down upon them like God pissing on Soddom and Gomorrah. There is no chance for Legion survival at all. None.

I could see the Legion killing 1 or 2 Paladins but thats with the help of the Centurion of course.
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:31 pm

You're [censored]in' A right the Brotherhood wins. The legions numbers don't mean jack [censored] when you look at the ordnance the BOS could rain down upon them like God pissing on Soddom and Gomorrah. There is no chance for Legion survival at all. None.


Are you talking about Helios one? Because last I checked, it can be used twice a day. Once for offense and once as a defensive measure. It also need power from the sun to do so and a cloudy day could easily [censored] this up.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:34 am

I think everyone underestimates both sides. That said, I still think the Legion have a chance. They're trained to find weakness's in enemies and exploit them. They would surely find a weakness in the BOS battle plan/ way they fight/ whatever else and exploit that to [censored].

NOTE: I'm not saying the BOS could never win, I mean it's definetly possible but it seems more likely the Legion will win because of they're tactics, battle plans, strategies and even weapons. They wouldn't also go in head on balls to the wall. If they can find a different way to do it, they will, just like the did for Searchlight.

Ok then describe what they would do with these "tactics" of theres, Battle plans, and strategies, and weapons lol(what weapons) there no weapon powerful enough to penetrate them.
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:03 pm

You're [censored]in' A right the Brotherhood wins. The legions numbers don't mean jack [censored] when you look at the ordnance the BOS could rain down upon them like God pissing on Soddom and Gomorrah. There is no chance for Legion survival at all. None.


I know I said Im done but when confronted with a post of this level I really cant help myself.

*blows a raspberry* Im right and youre wrong nenner nennie neh nehr.
*and a little dance too*

Im sorry, thats just my inner six year old responding to yours.
Do carry on.
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:25 pm

I could see the Legion killing 1 or 2 Paladins but thats with the help of the Centurion of course.

Imagine power armored BOS troops deployed in five man squads with two minigunners or gatling laserers acting as cover for a heavy gunner with a missile launcher, fat man, or heavy incinerator, with recon armored gauss snipers behind them and lightly armored scouts running ahead with plasma casters, tri-beams, multiplas rifles, and flamethrowers. Tell me the guys who haven't discovered pants are going to survive.
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:21 pm

Imagine power armored BOS troops deployed in five man squads with two minigunners or gatling laserers acting as cover for a heavy gunner with a missile launcher, fat man, or heavy incinerator, with recon armored gauss snipers behind them and lightly armored scouts running ahead with plasma casters, tri-beams, multiplas rifles, and flamethrowers. Tell me the guys who haven't discovered pants are going to survive.

Exactly thats another thing the BOS have COVERAGE ALL OVER THERE BODY. The legion...Torso..thats it. Not to mention the BOS could also place down some plasma mines.

That sounds like a force to be reckoned with.

(calm down the hostility in here)
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:37 pm

Ok then describe what they would do with these "tactics" of theres, Battle plans, and strategies, and weapons lol(what weapons) there no weapon powerful enough to penetrate them.


Well they have .50 cals. Not sure if that would work against power armour but eh. Anyways tactics? Well off the top of my head they could easily disable archimides. It draws power from the sun at that moment it fires does it not? Meaning either attacking on a cloudy day or at night would disable it would it not?

As per tactics/plans/strategies they would probably use the formation they always use. Recruits front, prime legionaries next and then the rest sorted in rank. This way their best warriors are saved for last when the enemy is weaker. They could always have frumentarii sneak in and plant C4 around the outside of the base.

I'm not exacly the best tactitian/ thinker, all I'm saying is that the BOS have weaknesses, everyone does, and the Legion will surely exploit them like they always do.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:14 am

I know I said Im done but when confronted with a post of this level I really cant help myself.

*blows a raspberry* Im right and youre wrong nenner nennie neh nehr.
*and a little dance too*

Im sorry, thats just my inner six year old responding to yours.
Do carry on.

It's blatantly obvious at this point that you're just another single-minded pro-legion [censored] like gabriel77dan who has no appreciation whatsoever for what a properly motivated force of Power Armored troops can do. You want the legion to win so you just write them magical tactical superiority without considering at all the actual fighting that would be involved. Frumentarii can't infiltrate the Brotherhood. Radiation bombs don't mean [censored] to people whose standard equipment gives them radiation resistance. All the AMRs in the world aren't going to survive getting attacked by a rocket barrage. Stop acting like a child and accept the fact that your favored butt-boys aren't going to stand a chance against the equipment designed to overpower actual motorized tanks.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:40 am

Imagine power armored BOS troops deployed in five man squads with two minigunners or gatling laserers acting as cover for a heavy gunner with a missile launcher, fat man, or heavy incinerator, with recon armored gauss snipers behind them and lightly armored scouts running ahead with plasma casters, tri-beams, multiplas rifles, and flamethrowers. Tell me the guys who haven't discovered pants are going to survive.


Exactly.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:55 am

Well they have .50 cals. Not sure if that would work against power armour but eh. Anyways tactics? Well off the top of my head they could easily disable archimides. It draws power from the sun at that moment it fires does it not? Meaning either attacking on a cloudy day or at night would disable it would it not?
Yes your right they do have .50 cals but they are in short supply and only the Centurions have them. They can do without Archimedies thats just a little perk of thiers.


As per tactics/plans/strategies they would probably use the formation they always use. Recruits front, prime legionaries next and then the rest sorted in rank. This way their best warriors are saved for last when the enemy is weaker. They could always have frumentarii sneak in and plant C4 around the outside of the base.
Yes use the formation they always use and get slaughtered. That infantry crap isnt going to pull of against the BOS. They will just get out a Gattling laser and mow down every row like its a bunch of wild fiends. They arent going to get week thats the problem. If anything they will run out of ammo then the gloves come off and the Balistic fists are put on. The Frumentarii could sneak in sure if they get passed the BOS patrols.


I'm not exacly the best tactitian/ thinker, all I'm saying is that the BOS have weaknesses, everyone does, and the Legion will surely exploit them like they always do.
Yes BOS do have weaknesses but not many. Legion they have plenty. BOS can heal there sick and wounded with simpacks on the spot once a legionary gets hurt or infected hes pretty much a gonner.


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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:44 am

It's blatantly obvious at this point that you're just another single-minded pro-legion [censored] like gabriel77dan who has no appreciation whatsoever for what a properly motivated force of Power Armored troops can do. You want the legion to win so you just write them magical tactical superiority without considering at all the actual fighting that would be involved. Frumentarii can't infiltrate the Brotherhood. Radiation bombs don't mean [censored] to people whose standard equipment gives them radiation resistance. All the AMRs in the world aren't going to survive getting attacked by a rocket barrage. Stop acting like a child and accept the fact that your favored butt-boys aren't going to stand a chance against the equipment designed to overpower actual motorized tanks.


Wow someone is getting agrovated. Yeesh. I don't think you see the Legion's potentiel some others do. They aren't just skirt wearing tribals you see them to be ( atleast it sounds like this is how you see them). Sure they may not be as properly equipped as the BOS. The BOS win in that aspect, they have better weapons/ armour. Doesn't mean they have better tactics/brain power. Brute force isn't the only thing that wins wars mate.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:31 am

It's blatantly obvious at this point that you're just another single-minded pro-legion [censored] like gabriel77dan who has no appreciation whatsoever for what a properly motivated force of Power Armored troops can do. You want the legion to win so you just write them magical tactical superiority without considering at all the actual fighting that would be involved. Frumentarii can't infiltrate the Brotherhood. Radiation bombs don't mean [censored] to people whose standard equipment gives them radiation resistance. All the AMRs in the world aren't going to survive getting attacked by a rocket barrage. Stop acting like a child and accept the fact that your favored butt-boys aren't going to stand a chance against the equipment designed to overpower actual motorized tanks.


No my sweet, if you had payed attention you would have read that I prefer the brotherhood over the legion and exactly why :)
That you have not just proves another point I was making, about not really being interested in what other people say, just your own self-importance.
Gee wizz I oops and posted again. Sheesh I really should stop seeing as it amounts to absolutely nothing and by now is making grampy Merari grumpy.
I think Ill talk to you when you have another 15 yrs of experience down the belt.
Mind you, some people only lose belt holes, never gain wisdom.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:19 am

No my sweet, if you had payed attention you would have read that I prefer the brotherhood over the legion and exactly why :)
That you have not just proves another point I was making, about not really being interested in what other people say, just your own self-importance.
Gee wizz I oops and posted again. Sheesh I really should stop seeing as it amounts to absolutely nothing and by now is making grampy Merari grumpy.
I think Ill talk to you when you have another 15 yrs of experience down the belt.
Mind you, some people only lose belt holes, never gain wisdom.

Stop instigating.
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:33 pm

They aren't just skirt wearing tribals you see them to be ( atleast it sounds like this is how you see them).


Um....yes they are, and their tactics are pretty pathetic. History has shown many times, it's not numbers that win wars.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:15 pm

Boulder City.....
Another reason why CL svcks and BoS would win even though it was NCR the BoS definitely have the capabilities to plan that kind of attack and is this before or after first battle of hoover dam?
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:50 am

Boulder City.....
Another reason why CL svcks and BoS would win even though it was NCR the BoS definitely have the capabilities to plan that kind of attack and is this before or after first battle of hoover dam?

Exactly the BOS arent dumb they have tactics. They can win wars just like any other faction. They could set up a little ambush our do a "retreat" and trick them and slaughter them. There is Scorpion gulch near Helios one...
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:21 am

Boulder City.....
Another reason why CL svcks and BoS would win even though it was NCR the BoS definitely have the capabilities to plan that kind of attack and is this before or after first battle of hoover dam?


The Legion lost at Boulder City because of Graham not because of tactics. It was because Graham could not see what was developping, he was to hell beant on marching through the NCR and destroying them which eventually led to him getting his ass kicked.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:34 pm

I gotta go with the BOS on this one. History has shown us that superior tactics, technology and training trump numbers and motivation time and again. The Battle of Thermopylae, Gaugamela, The Battle of 73 Easting, all of them were facing superior numbers. But better strategy kicked superior numbers ass up one side of the street and down the other.

Legion has blind devotion? Perfect. BOS can lead those soldiers into one trap after another, because those soldiers can't think for themselves. The BOS can plan and strategize independantly and as a unit.

IMO Legion wouldn't stand a chance.
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:30 pm

Imagine power armored BOS troops deployed in five man squads with two minigunners or gatling laserers acting as cover for a heavy gunner with a missile launcher, fat man, or heavy incinerator, with recon armored gauss snipers behind them and lightly armored scouts running ahead with plasma casters, tri-beams, multiplas rifles, and flamethrowers. Tell me the guys who haven't discovered pants are going to survive.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Are you crazy, is this some form of joke?! :ermm:
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You clearly have no knowledge and appreciation of battle tactics and/or BUDGET.
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Post » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:55 am

No my sweet, if you had payed attention you would have read that I prefer the brotherhood over the legion and exactly why :)
That you have not just proves another point I was making, about not really being interested in what other people say, just your own self-importance.
Gee wizz I oops and posted again. Sheesh I really should stop seeing as it amounts to absolutely nothing and by now is making grampy Merari grumpy.
I think Ill talk to you when you have another 15 yrs of experience down the belt.
Mind you, some people only lose belt holes, never gain wisdom.

But you haven't said ANYTHING. You just keep bringing up totally unquanfitied "tactics" that award instant legion victory. This isn't like any other fight between technology and savagery. This is heavy mobile artillery versus walking toilet stains with at best .50 cal rifles. What is the legion going to do to win? SPELL IT OUT.
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