BOS VS NCR

Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:37 pm

The Eastern Brotherhood and Midwestern have a very large recruitment pool and power armor so they could afford to go head to head with NCR especially seeing as the NCR seems to at an all time low moral after fighting the Brotherhood and Legion.
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Rob Davidson
 
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:54 am

The Eastern Brotherhood and Midwestern have a very large recruitment pool and power armor so they could afford to go head to head with NCR especially seeing as the NCR seems to at an all time low moral after fighting the Brotherhood and Legion.

Lyons Brotherhood barely accepts new members, we had to freaking die in the purifier before being accepted into their ranks.
And Mid-Western Brotherhood, if they followed the Barnaky ending then while they'll have large numbers they don't recruit people.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:47 pm

We have to consider several things here; the Brotherhood of Steel doesn't really control territory outside their various bases, as opposed to the New California Republic, which controls an expansive territorial empire within the Core Region; this causes a problem logistically because they wouldn't be able to sustain themselves if the New California Republic employed total war. Secondly, as mentioned, the New California Republic has the clear numerical advantage and, while their soldiers are technologically inferior, the curve isn't terrible; 2-3 NCR soldiers should be able to kill one Brotherhood Paladin. I haven't even discussed Rangers; Rangers probably could go toe-to-toe with Paladins.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:14 pm

The ratio at Helios was the Brotherhood killed around 10 NCR troopers for every Paladin that died but the NCR outnumbered the Brotherhood 20-1 and for the Rangers the Paladins still have better armor and weapons like T-51b's and Enclave Plasma Rifles
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:35 am

A paladin in a power armor should be able to bring down more than 10 troopers easily enough.
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:29 am

BOS all the way, The NCR has become a power hungry faction, strangling its citizens of thier freedom and rights.

they dont abuse their rights they just tax them, which is essential for a functional government, they protect and help NCR citizens as much as it can but its enemies are many and its borders expand faster than its soldiers.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:54 pm

Realisticly power armour makes u a walking tank,Bethesda/obsidian nerfed the armour to pacifiy the light and medium armour users/if it was true to the history it would be easily couple hundred dt lol.In simple power armour+a heavy gun=MASSIVE kill potential and considering bos woulkdnt be just 1 of these they could easily give ncr hell.Rangers are good but riot gear wont do squat to protect them from mini gun barage.If s rocket does nearly fatal dge at 36 dt and the histiry mentions the armour being capable of taking rockets without endangering the occupant,then think about the dt required .If were [laying by ral fallout standards bs would murder thousands if not tens of thousands of ncr
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:29 pm

Lyons Brotherhood barely accepts new members, we had to freaking die in the purifier before being accepted into their ranks.
And Mid-Western Brotherhood, if they followed the Barnaky ending then while they'll have large numbers they don't recruit people.


MWBoS does accept new recruits but they make them start out at the very bottom. They also take towns "best and brightest" and force them into training. Barnaky Ending they turn on mutations which would make an awesome story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58.

I am not to clear on how Lyons does it. I know he went into The Pitt and killed everyone but for some kids he felt were not mutated and made them BoS, but given their numbers and the amount of young people training. They must kidnap alot of kids or they do let people join but only when young or the BoS under Lyons multiply like Rabbits and if thats the case he need to go back to the west and show them how its done.
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:52 am

Midwest and East Coast BOS would OWN the NCR.
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:02 pm

If the BOS from both coasts teamed up and faced the NCR who would win.


That would never happen. Regardless, I would want the Brotherhood to win, despite them being boring censors in New Vegas. NCR would win though because, as I say, East Coast would never join up. Perhaps the Outcasts?
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:00 am

NCR has zap gloves and pulse guns that kill BOS in 1 to 2 hits. BOS has plasma guns energy weapons nukes and giant fighting robots, because of their like 30 military bases. NCR are 700,000 strong but one of the officers in NV said only 5% is military and BOS's say 300,000 are all military,so I'd say the BOS wins IF they use their ranged supplies (robots,sentry guns, missiles)

BTW anyone notice in FO3 you can shoot a nuke(or missile not sure) from the base where you get the T-51b armor and you don't even know who you just killed (my guess Chinese)
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:22 pm

BTW anyone notice in FO3 you can shoot a nuke(or missile not sure) from the base where you get the T-51b armor and you don't even know who you just killed (my guess Chinese)


You don't actually get to shoot that. The lights and alarms go off but if you reread the terminal, it says "error launch failure" or something like that. But yeah it would have been cool to just randomly launch a nuke.
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:27 am

NCR has zap gloves and pulse guns that kill BOS in 1 to 2 hits. BOS has plasma guns energy weapons nukes and giant fighting robots, because of their like 30 military bases. NCR are 700,000 strong but one of the officers in NV said only 5% is military and BOS's say 300,000 are all military,so I'd say the BOS wins IF they use their ranged supplies (robots,sentry guns, missiles)

BTW anyone notice in FO3 you can shoot a nuke(or missile not sure) from the base where you get the T-51b armor and you don't even know who you just killed (my guess Chinese)

BoS isn't that large. I'm guessing they have only around 5000 members.
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:56 am

Actually, NCR is evil.


Finally someone else who sees the NCR as evil.
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:25 am

BOS all the way!
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:54 am

Finally someone else who sees the NCR as evil.


You're not alone..

Also i'm not sure if it's intentional, but your quote about "Sticks and Bones" should actually be "Sticks and Stones".
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:21 am

You're not alone..

Also i'm not sure if it's intentional, but your quote about "Sticks and Bones" should actually be "Sticks and Stones".


No its meant to be bones. I think Einsteins said that quote but I changed it because I wanted it to refer to Fallout.
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:47 am

IF the NCR did fight with Lyons BOS before the purifier events then NCR would definitly win, But now considering the fact that Lyons BOS is getting large amount Technology and Enclave power armor and even Hellfire armor with Lyons BOS recruiting people from the wasteland. Its safe to assume that BOS would be able easily defend themselves of any NCR aggression. Considering BOS is considered to be the Heroes of the Capital wasteland they would not have any trouble finding recruits either...

As for the West Coast BOS, they are dead, they would be dead far before Lyons and Mid west would even bother about helping them..

NCR has only numbers, IF ever NCR attacked the capital wasteland, They would have to face Brotherhood of steel with Hellfire power armor and plasma Rifles, Vertibirds or even an Atomic bomb (if BOS manages to use the one in megaton , how hard would it be for them to re arm it again :celebration: )

Really ..lol..Imagine a Vertibird carrying the Atomic bomb right over NCR Divisions and then BOOOOM..

or hell..imagine a BOOM right over Vegas
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:08 pm

IF the NCR did fight with Lyons BOS before the purifier events then NCR would definitly win, But now considering the fact that Lyons BOS is getting large amount Technology and Enclave power armor and even Hellfire armor with Lyons BOS recruiting people from the wasteland. Its safe to assume that BOS would be able easily defend themselves of any NCR aggression. Considering BOS is considered to be the Heroes of the Capital wasteland they would not have any trouble finding recruits either...

As for the West Coast BOS, they are dead, they would be dead far before Lyons and Mid west would even bother about helping them..

NCR has only numbers, IF ever NCR attacked the capital wasteland, They would have to face Brotherhood of steel with Hellfire power armor and plasma Rifles, Vertibirds or even an Atomic bomb (if BOS manages to use the one in megaton , how hard would it be for them to re arm it again :celebration: )

Really ..lol..Imagine a Vertibird carrying the Atomic bomb right over NCR Divisions and then BOOOOM..

or hell..imagine a BOOM right over Vegas


lol Why would the BOS nuke Vegas with all its civilians?
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:25 pm

NCR has zap gloves and pulse guns that kill BOS in 1 to 2 hits.

There is only one pulse gun, its a unique weapon. It only appeared in the Van Graff's shop due to a glitch that was no fixed. I also think only the paladin toaster[the unique zap glove] has a bonus vs power armor. That aside the NCR has never demonstrated a skill at close combat.
What it really comes down to is numbers and only the legion has been able to match the NCR in that respect.

Maybe Mid-Western Brotherhood could stand a chance against them, but the rest are goners.

But there a small detachment so it's unlikely they could stand up anyone mentioned thus far.
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:15 am

EC BoS and WC BoS would never ally. WC BoS may tolerate EC BoS, but thats just because the war with NCR made WC BoS desperate.

WC BoS showed that they have no chance so lets not discuss them...
Now the EC BoS vs NCR... that would be a tougher fight.
The end of F3 symbolized the end of anarchy of Capital Wasteland and increased trade between the settlements. While BoS wouldn't be an efficient government (because they are not one to begin with), people of Capital Wasteland would see them as their saviors and if it has open recruitment, many of its members would see themselves as protectors of the Capital Wasteland, aka its military so the problem of manpower wouldn't be that high (tough there would be still a gap because BoS ain't as expansive and the East Coast restored itself later then the West Coast thus has smaller populace). However, with the technology they have, the technology they salvaged from Enclave and with hints that Liberty Prime may get restored, their military would be... quite powerful. Experience with fighting mutants mean that they probably understand tactics as well.

NCR tough... their morale is crumbling and they suffer from expanding too fast. Add to that the rising corruption in government. Now add the unhappy population which may later seek to create independent states. And in case the NCR ending in NW doesn't end up being canon...

Honestly, I think in current situation the NCR would lose against the EC BoS. Lets not even add MW BoS to the mix...
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:18 am

EC BoS and WC BoS would never ally. WC BoS may tolerate EC BoS, but thats just because the war with NCR made WC BoS desperate.

WC BoS showed that they have no chance so lets not discuss them...
Now the EC BoS vs NCR... that would be a tougher fight.
The end of F3 symbolized the end of anarchy of Capital Wasteland and increased trade between the settlements. While BoS wouldn't be an efficient government (because they are not one to begin with), people of Capital Wasteland would see them as their saviors and if it has open recruitment, many of its members would see themselves as protectors of the Capital Wasteland, aka its military so the problem of manpower wouldn't be that high (tough there would be still a gap because BoS ain't as expansive and the East Coast restored itself later then the West Coast thus has smaller populace). However, with the technology they have, the technology they salvaged from Enclave and with hints that Liberty Prime may get restored, their military would be... quite powerful. Experience with fighting mutants mean that they probably understand tactics as well.

NCR tough... their morale is crumbling and they suffer from expanding too fast. Add to that the rising corruption in government. Now add the unhappy population which may later seek to create independent states. And in case the NCR ending in NW doesn't end up being canon...

Honestly, I think in current situation the NCR would lose against the EC BoS. Lets not even add MW BoS to the mix...


Who are the midwest BOS? Are they the BOS in the middle of the US? Do we even know anything about them?
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Post » Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:50 am

There is only one pulse gun, its a unique weapon. It only appeared in the Van Graff's shop due to a glitch that was no fixed. I also think only the paladin toaster[the unique zap glove] has a bonus vs power armor. That aside the NCR has never demonstrated a skill at close combat.
What it really comes down to is numbers and only the legion has been able to match the NCR in that respect.


But there a small detachment so it's unlikely they could stand up anyone mentioned thus far.


One pulse gun...in New Vegas. They raided Navarro. They're loaded baby. And not with http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Laser_Pistol_(Fallout_3) and http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Laser_Rifle_(Fallout_3) crap. They've got the good stuff. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_Pistol_(Fallout) and http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_Rifle_(Fallout) . Let's not forget M72 Gauss Rifles . Let's not forget M72 Gauss Rifles and http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Advanced_Power_Armor_(Fallout_2)
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:34 pm

One pulse gun...in New Vegas. They raided Navarro. They're loaded baby. And not with http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Laser_Pistol_(Fallout_3) and http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Laser_Rifle_(Fallout_3) crap. They've got the good stuff. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_Pistol_(Fallout) and http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_Rifle_(Fallout) . Let's not forget M72 Gauss Rifles . Let's not forget M72 Gauss Rifles and http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Advanced_Power_Armor_(Fallout_2)


The NCR must have some sort of Omega Force hidden away somewhere armed with the best stuff they found at Navarro and rolled out for the big threats......I can only guess they kept them back in NCR due to the Brotherhood threat. Or they're guarding a Brahmin Baron's ranch from geckos. :lol:
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Post » Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:46 pm

You don't arm the expedition with your latest and greatest :P
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