Not quite sure if the scenario I described was correct - what is a fresh install to BOMM in the same location (is it a folder in BOSS Masterlist Manager)?

When you do an Upgrade with the Installer, there is no option to specify a new BOMM folder location - it assumes that you will specify a working copy of the BOMM.doc. To avoid having to check the folder location each time you open BOMM.doc, I included the location in the Settings. Also, made the move folder option something that is done via the Settings menu.

If there are enough other users getting caught out with this or some other changes worth making, I will look into dealing with the BOMM.doc folder in another way. Probably will look at this anyway when I have finsihed another project I am working on (BAT - BAIN Project Tools)

btw, does your post mean that you have found a way to successfully upgrade your BOMM.doc to the new version?

I do appreciate the feedback and suggestions

I just installed BOMM fresh and copied over my changes. For some reason, copying my definitions did not ruin the formatting this time, so it only took a sec to update everything. Maybe you should add a note about renaming the old files so that it is possible to get to the old definitions; otherwise, I will just try to keep BOMM in the same place. ^____^

Ahh, so you did a New install and then manually copied your Overides and Unknows - now I understand.

Your request about the backup is copvered in the Installer doc - last sentence of the first para - "a backup file of your current settings and definitions is made (BOMM Backup.doc)"

What you could have done was rename your BOMM folder to its orginal name, then changed the path using Settings (which would create the new folder with the required files copied) and then used the Installer.

I take your point though and will change the way BOMM and the Installer works with the BOMM.doc path - probably better to have missing files than the BOMM program failures - and I agree that it is not very intuitive.

BOSS Masterlist Manager v5.4 Released

This release addresses a problem that has occurred as a result of a change to the line terminators used in the BOSS masterlist that causes BOMM to fail.

I had not anticipated doing another release before the new version of BOSS, so this release also includes changes intended to ensure that BOMM works with the new version of BOSS. Since the new version of BOSS is still in development, I may well have to introduce further changes once BOSS is ready for release.

New Functions

• "Create Userlist" button added to create the BOSS User Rules file (userlist.txt) using BOMM Overrides and Unknowns. The button will be disabled until you install the new version of BOSS.
  
  Processing Changes
  
• BOMM reports updated to work correctly with the new HTML BOSS Log File format as well as the existing text file format.
  
• If you copy the BOMM Data folder to a new location, BOMM automatically updates your Settings when you open the BOMM document from the new location.
  
  Fixes
  
• Fixes the problem caused by different line terminators used in the latest BOSS masterlist.
  
  Documentation Changes
  
• A new Tip added that explains what BOMM settings you need to change for the new version of BOSS.
  
• Toolbar documentation updated to include the new Create Userlist button.

Nice to see this released. There's still a few bugs to fix in BOSS, and leandor wants to rewrite some stuff, but nobody has raised any concerns with formatting or functionality, so unless the partial rewrite changes something, you shouldn't need to do another release. I'll keep you posted.

Many thanks - your rapid feedback is very much appreciated.

BOSS Masterlist Manager v5.4.1 Released

A fix for an annoyance rather than a significant problem.

New Functions

• None.
  
  Processing Changes
  
• None.
  
  Fixes
  
• Fixed the problem where Word was being hidden behind another window after creating a Notes or Tags report.
  
  Documentation Changes
  
• None.

BOMM v5.4.1 and BOSS v1.6

• If you install the new version of BOSS and then run BOMM, you will get an error message saying that "The Master List has been deleted after BOMM was started"
  This is good - it acts as a reminder that you need to change your Settings.
  
• The new BOSS log file uses a different method for new lines that will result in BOMM crashing if there are any Unknowns.
  I will be posting a fix for this problem (probably tomorrow)
  
• If you run BOSS on a masterlist that has not been changed by BOMM, then the BOSS log will contain mods with ghost extensions. This means that when you run BOMM, it will append these ghosted mods to your Unknowns.
  I will include a fix to avoid this problem.

Everything else seems to be working fine.

Hope this information is useful.

BOSS Masterlist Manager v5.4.2 Released

Having had a sneak preview of BOSS v1.6 before it was temporarily withdrawn, I was able to do some testing and have released this update to correct some problems I encountered.

New Functions

• None.
  
  Processing Changes
  
• None.
  
  Fixes
  
• Fix to prevent BOMM crashing when processing Unknown mods in the new BOSS Log File format
  
• Fix to prevent ghosted files being appended to the BOMM Unknowns
  
  Documentation Changes
  
• Updated Tip 9 to include all the settings you need to change for BOSS v1.6.

Hmm, sorry about the unknown ghosts thing - now that you've released an update, would you still prefer that BOSS report the unknowns without the .ghost extension? Thinking about it, it does make sense and I can certainly make the change, but I thought I'd ask first.

Still having trouble with v1.6, have a couple of testers who are both having different problems that I can't see the code causing. Hopefully I'll make a breakthrough though. :shrug:

My view on the ghosted items is to report them, but remove the ghosted extension to avoid any confusion - this was the approach I used for BOMM. Logic is that the ghost extension is meant to be transparent to the user - but your call of course

OK, I've got it so that the .ghost extension is not shown - should they also get the " - Ghosted" next to their names like recognised files?

Could do - I suppose that makes sense.

If you do, please let me know because I will need to change BOMM - wil the exact format be "mod.esp - Ghosted"?

I'll make the change and send you an updated exe so you can see it exactly for yourself.

BOSS Masterlist Manager v5.4.3 Released

The BOSS team were kind enough to let me have a copy of the soon to be re-released version of BOSS. There is another change that will be introduced to the new BOSS log file for reporting unknown ghosted mods - this release contains a fix for this change.

Hopefully the last of the changes for the new version of BOSS, which may well make BOMM redundant - be interested in your opinions once you have had a chance to use the new BOSS and come to grips with the BOSS User List.

New Functions

• None.
  
  Processing Changes
  
• None.
  
  Fixes
  
• Additional fix to prevent BOMM defined mods that have been ghosted being appended to the BOMM Unknowns
  
  Documentation Changes
  
• None.

I still like the "GUI" style of the Word doc.
One thing I wish it had was the ability to put things BEFORE and not just AFTER.
I'm a bit lost on what to do when I get the error pop up when clicking SVN Masterlist button:

BOSS masterlist.txt
Windows cannot find 'BOSS masterlist.txt'. Make sure you typed the name correctly, and then try again.

I have BOSS masterlist.txt in my Data folder.

I have BOSS 1.6

With BOSS 1.6 and 1.61 the masterlist.txt goes in the BOSS folder. Located in Oblivion\Data\BOSS I would imagine that's causing the error.

If you are using BOSS 1.6 or later, you do need to chnage your BOMM settings - tip number 9 on page 1 of the Help tells you which settings need to be changed. Also, if you are using WB, you must use v288 or later for the new location of BOSS's masterlist to be used (v287 still looks in Data rather than Data\BOSS)

Edit:
I agree about the Before option, but at the moment do not have plans to implement this. I am waiting for a stable version of WB before moving to BOSS 1.61 and then I will need to take a look at BOMM. I have been considering a non-Word version that will use BOSS's userlist commands, but that has some of the BOMM ease of use features and GUI. Still contemplating - so nothing in the near future

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I grabbed the latest version of this tool a couple weeks ago, and after I dragged my way through the update to the new BOSS stuff it was smooth sailing as usual. This is always on my Modified Oblivion setup list.


Thanks a million!
- Tomlong75210

Thanks for your kind words Tomlong - glad you still find it useful. I would be interested to know if you still use BOMM after getting to grips with the Userlist feature of the latest BOSS.

Can BOSS do Masterlist edits and all of that? I honestly haven't tried using any of the new executables? Maybe I can check them out tonight. I'll have to read the BOSS docs. I'll post again afterward.


Thanks again!
- Tomlong75210

Well, I for one never upgraded to the latest BOSS version, and am happy using BOMM as is. I just didn't want to learn something new, considering my current method (BOMM) works really good for me. Before I start gaming, I run BOMM, update masterlist, run BOSS, and forget about all the complications about userlists etc - they are already in the BOMM table for me

Thanks Surazal :foodndrink:

Thanks for the feedback and nice words - very happy to hear that BOMM is still useful.

Personally, I am waiting for a stable v29x of Wrye Bash before upgrading to the latest version of BOSS. I suspect that I will probably stay with BOMM because I like the automated addition of unknown mods and the automated removal once they are defined.

Btw, BOMM can convert your definitions to the Userlist format for you.

So do I, which is why I am going to stick with BOMM. I'll look into the new BOSS features later.


Thanks again!
- Tomlong75210