Which was a reply to this one above it
Calling a Mod Junk with no evidence is not reasonable, even with evidence, it would be inappropriate in such a context where the author cannot defend their reputation.
Paraphrasing such an insult with Apparently is a common technique used in an attemp to justtify such words. It does not.
- I doubt, over a year after Skyrim came out, that you didn't know Mod Organizer used a virtual data folder, the main feature after all and as such no mods are installed in Skyrims Data Folder. Thus the most likely cause of an empty papyrus log is it looking in wrong place for Data.
- Even if you knew nothing of Mod Organizer, a quick read of its Discription page would be enough to show the most likely cause.
- This could be overlooked as a bad day you were having if this was just once.
- This BSA "Problem" shows it is more than that. Nothing is broken, it is a feature that Mod Organizer has, the user can choose how BSA's are prioritized. The key point is User Choice decides this, by default Mod Organizer's the same as vanilla.
- Picking out unique features, that give the user more options and labelling them faults, because they work differently, does not make them faults.
- Claiming BSA's are becoming "more popular" is dubious. Steam Workshop requires BSA's to be used, therefore it becomes easier for mod authors to use the same Archive for Nexus as well. Easier is not the same as popular and popular is not the same as better.
- Loose Files load quicker in game than BSA's which must be unpacked then loaded, this will always be true. Advanced Modders tend to prefer loose files because of this and they can manipulate them, to change whatever they wish.
- The Advantage of BSA's making mod management easier does not apply to Mod Organizer. When each Mod is in one Folder it does not matter if it has 3 files inside or 30,000, you still just have 1 folder to delete, whatever is inside it goes as well.
- I am sure if Wrye Bash had such features that were being mislabelled as faults you would rush to its defense pointing out that the so called faults were nothing of the sort but choices for the user to make or not as they wished.
I expect loyal Wrye Bash users to promote its good features and avoid mentioning the poor ones, I expect Mod Organizor users to do the same with it.
I expect loyal Wrye Bash users to highlight the shortcomings of other managers and avoid mentioning the good points, I expect Mod Organizor users to do the same.
However, I would hope that the more knowledgable and respected members of the community would promote good features and highlight shortcomings of all mods and on the support site of that mod, not elsewhere, for the benefit of all of us,
I do not expect insulting of mods and authors on other mods pages, especially without even trying to find out the facts, it is this sort of attitude that destroys the communities where it is common.
You make good mods and are thus a prominent member of this community, you should set yourself higher standards of behaviour because of this fact, not lower.
I admire your mods and give you credit for that and have endorsed every mod of you've made or been involved with.
I have defended USkP from unfounded accusations on the Nexus forums and will do so again if required.
Constructive critisism will be welcomed on Mod Organizer Support Forums, almost certainly with vigorous counter arguments, but it will become an open debate and if you have valid point, that can improve Mod Organizer, you will advance the programs capabilities.
Respect must be earned it is not a right, you have not earned it yet.
I hope you will change and thus earn my respect, you are very knowledgable, and should use that knowledge for improving the shortcomings of all mods.
I must with regret say, I do not respect you.
His response (the other response was to me trying to edit the above post on Nexus Mod Page Posts Tab, not a good idea it totally messes with formatting done on Forum)
To be perfectly blunt, your respect is not required so it phases me not that you are attempting to use this as an insult to force a behavior modification out of me that I'm not prepared to provide.
You may not realize this, but my opinions are my own and I have every right to express them when I feel it's appropriate.
What I see here is one mod management tool which is intentionally bucking the trend with Skyrim modding and it's causing people problems. I will point out the source of said problems whether other people like that or not. You may have noticed that even though he probably didn't intend to, the author has confirmed everything I already suspected about how Mod Organizer works. You might have noticed we even discussed it already, even both arriving at the conclusion that there can be no perfect solution and that both MO and Wrye Bash are up against a problem neither of them is well suited to deal with - and quite possibly never will be.
I don't know where you're getting your data from, but it's been debunked in several discussions around the community.
I never bothered sending my reply to this because it's poiontless to argue with the man on his forum.
I will only reply to this statement now
What I see here is one mod management tool which is intentionally bucking the trend with Skyrim modding and it's causing people problems.
And my reply
If you call not being a Jack of All mods and master of none like Nexus Mod Manager "the trend", yes,it's intentionally bucking that trend.
If you call the narrow limitations and auto update like it or not of Steam Workshop "the trend", yes, it's intentionally bucking that trend.
If you call the stagnation of Skyrim Wrye Bash where only game breaking updates are done "the trend", yes, it's intentionally bucking that trend.
In fact it's intentionally bucking all the old trends and forging new trends, it is the best Skyrim Mod Manager by far and even STEP now recommend it over Wrye Bash on merit alone, they were Wrye Bash Enthusiasts.
That Wrye Bash in Skyrim has not been the goto manager it used to be is very sad, I am not a supporter of Wrye Bash in Skyrim because, to my outsiders view, both it and Nexus had a fear induced reaction to Steam Workshop, Nexus became a Multi-Engine mediocrity with their knee jerk reaction
Wrye Smash, as far as I can tell Skyrim's Wrye version until then, which just like all other Wrye versions was game specific, became Wrye Bash, the one Bash to Rule them All, Skyrim developement ceased and merger developement became the priority, another knee jerk reaction,
Mod Organizer intentionally bucked the trend, besides there were no more knees left to jerk. Now, only Bashed Patch gives it any point and that's been feature frozen, only this year with LoJack's return do we see any movement there at all, so now theres a chink of light, some hope Wrye Bash might buck the Trend.
So as for Bucking the Trend, Damn right, Trends of that sort need bucking. if Wrye had not bucked trends, Wrye Bash, Mash Flash woudn't have become what they were, if it stays in the trend of 2012-13, it will never even return to its best, never mind beyond.
As for causing people problems that's you not Mod Organizer even deactivated your mod demands attention, No, you can mod your game how you want, but don't tell me I cant extract BSA's. Vanilla Textures work better when extracted and DDSOpt(imized). I'll do the same with mine and I only need the Loose Files from UHRP your unreasonable demands from a switched off UHRP's ESP have resulted in its deletion, I could just leave BSA but I think I'll have Loose Files, because that's not your choice to make or Bethesdas either that's my choice on my game and every other modder can make their own choice on their own game.
» Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:01 am 
, was fine again. Apparently the installer is not deleting the User Data even if the checkbox is ticked. You should probably revisit the installer script on this. Anyway, I'm glad that my "LOOT" is finally working again and I'm able to play skyrim. 
