Bothered by having too much money : V - Skyrim

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:40 am

Backstaber - you have a point, in that certain roles are unplayable now.. and its not about 'unlocking' content, its about rewarding the player with new challenges instead of the same old challenge re-hashed for your new level.. i don't want a character that takes a lifetime to play, i want one where its possible to get to a stage where i have changed the game world through my own will, and can see those changes, whether i choose to do this with the financial side of the game or the brute force site should be up to me, but it isn't.. i feel like I'm following a set story line .. the writer of which doesn't imagine i would become rich, or powerful, and if i stray to far from the script the game is shown to be as shallow as the linear scripts it relies on.

its like hitting an invisible wall, only with money, its just another limitation that i found too easily..

I was reminded of two quotes while reading this. This first was on TV by some general who was talking about the war in Afgan.

He said: "You have to work from were you are, not from were you wish you were"

I have been a gamer for 25 years. I have many gaming taste. Hell, everyone of the ideas you have to make the game better would make me stick to one charactor longer cause i love the grinding as well. I've played WoW and LoTRO. I get so deep into gaming that the line between real life and the game becomes blurry. I started guilds/kins on both games with about 400 people in each. Planning raids, dealing with guild turmoil, crafting, selling crap at the AH, recruiting and planning ways to make my guild/kin respected, fun and attractive felt like i was a CEO. My goal was to become a high leveled and geared out raiding kin known and respected on the server i was on. Not an easy task but i was up to it. I never made it that far but i past the buck to someone else and they did. I got burned out on the depth of it all. I hardly had time to game lol. Point is, unless the game has everything you love about anything that has to do with gaming sooner or later you'll get burned out. Thats how life is. Geezzz, you can find the love of your life and get burnt out by her in a matter of years and thats a hot sixy girl that can do more for you than a video game that fell straight from heaven. Thus, i understand what Skyrim is and what it has to offer and i like it. It's also a subjective veiw point cause there will always be something that you wish was in the game buts not.

The second quote i thought about was when Todd Howard said "we can do anything, but not everything"

All i have to say here is that what they did do was amazing. I could, like you, go on and on about SO many things that i would have done differently or added to the game. Pffff, i'd start at something as simple as having some co-op but i wont go there. Point is: to please every fan in the world they would have to put everything in this game. Thats not going to happen.

For me: This game is in a class of its own. Its not perfect but hey what is? Are you perfect? is the world we really live in perfect?

didnt think so...

Thus, i think its really sad that the Beth team has to hear about al this hate on there fan website for small little things that dont go their way.

Skyrim is just a game, yet for being just a game its still pretty dam amazing.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:17 pm

I don't always have a lot of money because I'm buying expensive spells at the same time.

Ever dungeon run it's:

700gold

Buy as many spells as I can. When I do have the money I'll chose a trainer, but not all the time. I kind of like doing it by myself.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:32 pm

I think my most enlightening moment in Skyrim has been when I decided to not bother stripping every single corpse and clearing out everything in every dungeon with a gold/weight ratio of 5 or greater. I used to spend approximately 2/3 of my game time looting, selling, then looking for more stores to sell more loot too.

If you just forget about the money aspect and only pick up the obvious 'loot' items (jewels, cash, etc.) you can get through so much more of the game!!

Also totally second the point on not fast travelling everywhere - there are a lot of interesting random encounters, even oppurtunities for some casual highway robbery when you meet a noble travelling to solitude for a wedding with a very expensive gift

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:18 pm

I'm level 9 and have 1250 gold.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:27 am

... Abridged ...

I liked your story actually, and I'd like my cookie now. Perhaps it is the younger generation who is impressed with 10 hour games and the like, but now that I'm an advlt (shudder) I can only spend money on so many forms of entertainment. So when I get a game I want it to be playable and replayable. Skyrim is perfect for that, because it allows me to do what I want depending on my mood or whatever. Now I don't get as much time to dump hundreds of hours into the game so fast, so I enjoy it more when I do get to play. Perhaps wondering imaginations and using your mind as a source of entertainment has died out finally. Now it's all about flashy graphics and high action, not that I don't enjoy that, but look at movies like Transformers. Horrible movie but it had lots of explosions and pretty girls, so it works for people these days.

Sometimes I wish TES games were multi-player so I could play with some like minded individuals who just want to have fun. Thankfully it is single player so I don;t have to worry about all the annoying kids complaining.

I also plan my character out a little bit before I start playing, so I already knew I was going to be an Argonian stealthy player; however, during the game I found magic to be quite a bit more awesome than I remember, so now I'm playing a rather unusual long distance sneaky mage. And I'm sticking to it. I might be murdered several times over because I'm fighting something like a big Orc warrior. But I refuse to drop out of character, it's what I've decided to play as so I'm sticking to it. It's been fun though, because it feels like I'm a character in this world, playing by it's rules and even though I'm dragonborn, I'm no more special than a town guard, I got to fight to get by just like they do.

Thanks for brining up the fantasy that seems to be so missed these days. :foodndrink:

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:27 pm

As with anything - there are people that will find any little thing to complain about.

I used to have a CO that did meticulous inspections. Of course, my shop would slave away for days to make sure everything was hospital clean and spotless. Invariably, he'd always find some little nit pick thing to complain about. Our chief would later say "if that's all he had to complain about then you did a D*** fine job."

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:46 pm

I suggested MORE money sinks prior to release on various occasions either that be taxes from Holds if you own a house, keeping all the current money sinks in the game and building upon them and even dropping money.

Of course, all this only matters if you're one of the people who thinks that there must be expenses equal to income. Personally, I've never understood the whole "But I have to SPEND it on something!" impulse. (Early game, sure - in the "getting set up" phase, you're short on cash & resources. But once you hit the mid-to-late game, why does there need to be money pressure any more?)

Different people, different viewpoints.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:30 pm

Sure, everyone could just use workarounds for every half implemented and unbalanced part of the game.
That dosent change anything about the fact that this shouldnt be neccessary and therefore be changed if possible.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:06 am

Yeah, Im not gonna roleplay a certain way to limit the amount of gold I have, that would bore the hell out of me. I just want to explore, kill [censored], get some loot, sell it, and have something to spend it all on. If they can have unlimited quests this shouldn't be a problem. Not my fault every chest and bandit I run into at my level has ebony and glass weapons and armor

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:50 pm

OP, I edited your thread title and some of the less... polite statements, from your opening post. I think you are enthusiastic and want to share, just don't complain about complainers... but I left most of your post as is.

I think too many player just 'grind' video game today. They play it like a MMO and 'farm' everything. They pick every quest and pick the best skill for the same reason. Cookie Cutter and FOTM(Flavor of the month) have been around for a long time.

I was having a conversation about this with a co-worker who is also playing Skyrim. We were talking about people who had exploited the Smithing/Enchanting/Alchemy thing and I noted I couldn't be bothered to do much enchanting or smithing on my current character - I do use Alchemy, but she is a Bosmer archer so it makes sense. But just grinding up Smithing or something is boooooring. I'd rather be playing the game and on my current character, alchemy fits in with how I see the character and how I am playing. .

If I want to grind crafting, I will play and MMO.

Well when you have an achievement telling you to gain 100,000G what do you expect me to do! Its not like I can ignore achievements!

Wait... there is achievements in this game? Hahahahaha... I never care about them, play offline mode, so never even noticed. If I don't get someone coming to my house with flowers and gift cards to tell me I won something, then achievements just do not interest me at all.

I think my most enlightening moment in Skyrim has been when I decided to not bother stripping every single corpse and clearing out everything in every dungeon with a gold/weight ratio of 5 or greater. I used to spend approximately 2/3 of my game time looting, selling, then looking for more stores to sell more loot too.
...

Yeah, I rarely take weapons and armor - only gold, useful misc items (like gems and lockpicks) and enchanted armor. My one exception, which I also did in OB, is to strip off the black robes of mages because they make me mad, GRRRR! I don't know why - I started that in OB, stripping necromancer robes and hoods and dumping them regularly in the University Courtyard.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:06 pm

I read the whole thing. You have a lot of good points about diversifing your playing style. I'm at 205 hrs right now with my original character and still haven't finished all the quests. As for not having anything to spend money on, well as soon as the modders strat dropping their mods, there'll be plenty of things to spend your money on - from houses to new weapons and armor and of course new clothes for the ladies. I'm not worried about have too much or too little. I make do with what I have and work toward what I need.

Good post !!!

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:21 am

My only complaint about having so much money is there isn't anything to do with it. If I could fill kettles and buckets with it I'd have no complaint. IF I could fill a room with it and swim around in it I'd worship at the shrine of Bethesda fortnightly.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:53 pm

I stopped reading when I realized spell checker was not used and that it was another 'complaining about complainers' post. There's a reason why forums exist - to allow people to express their opinions. Get over it.

I love the circular logic behind complaining about complaining about complainers, I feel compelled to complain about this.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:41 pm

What I do is I just don't look at it. That doesn't work very well with real life stuff but it is super effective with make-believe things.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:35 pm

I love the circular logic behind complaining about complaining about complainers, I feel compelled to complain about this.

And I often feel compelled to warn members for making posts like this. Don't do that please.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:13 pm

OP, just donate all your money to beggars and temples. They'll take it.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:34 am

I kind of like strolling into Solitude with six figures in septims in my pocket, on my way to Proudspire Manor, wearing 15k worth of gear. Sometimes I put on Fine Clothes and just strut.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:06 pm

hey Mod,

Thanks for fixing my post to sound more polite. However, I think you should place a question mark at the end of the title cause the thread now sounds like i am bothered by having too much money lol. The poster above me has already got that same immpression

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:34 pm

And let me tell you one last things, those of you that fast travel are missing out on one of the best things this game has to offfer: the world itself.

I completely agree with this!

I do fast travel every now and then, but this game is at it's best when you're just exploring the wild open world... brilliant.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:17 am

It only bothers me having so much money in a game because making that much money that quickly and easily isn't possible IRL.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:24 pm

I never have enough... :sadvaultboy:

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:38 pm

It only bothers me having so much money in a game because making that much money that quickly and easily isn't possible IRL.

Yeah people refused to buy my dragon bones too.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:34 pm

It only bothers me having so much money in a game because making that much money that quickly and easily isn't possible IRL.

Sure it's possible! (it's just not usually legal)

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:57 pm

There are so many complaints leveled at this game ...
The money topic seems to be the one of the day. All i have to say is this game is what YOU make it. For startes let me say i have over 250 hours in this game so i know what i'm talking about. 160 hours have been spent as a rich man and around 100 hours spent as a poor man. And let me tell you both are fun but i can get burned out by any style i play.

This is why i CHANGE up MY play style.

And each time i change my play style i get a different perspective of this game. This applies not only towards money, but also towards everything else in the game that can be changed.

This is why there are forums to go to thats helps you see things in a different light. I hope.

For startes, my assassin/theif is sitting on 30 grand with a pimped up pad in winterhold. I'd have to go look to see how much i've spent or got all together but needless to say it a lot. THe only quest lines i've finished with him was DB and TG. I'm only halfway throught the civil war with him. I got 160 hours out of him then i put him to rest comfortable in his nice house until i figured out what to do with him next. Now, the way i got to be so rich with him was through stealing/looting and alchemeny. Now this is the part everyone runs to the forums and starts saying "anticlimatic" the game is or "i have too much money" or "the game is broken."

However, this is the time i step back and take the lessons i've learned to create a new plan. Some people just dont know how to move on and be creative.

I've wrote a couple threads on my Orc and how to Roleplay them but no one seemed to mind...

Anyway, back to my Orc.

Now, with my Orc i got ideas to roleplay him by Qs i picked up with my Nord assassin. My assassin is down with the Stormcloaks while my Orc is down with the Empire. I went in with my Orc knowing that he's not going to be rich, but rather a surviver. He's not going to be a "City Orc." He's going to get by with what he's going to be a guy that "lives check to check." This is an Orc that carries an Axe and a mining pick to get a few extra coins. Potions are to epensive for him to by. Why? well because everything i take with mets cause i need it and every weapon i have will either be an epic piece or an item that i made.Also, i'm not going to loot every bady i kill or am i walking away with no more then 100 pounds of loot each questline line or dungon i come across. So my Orc scraps by the skin of his teeth for everything that he does. With my ORc i only fast travelback to my ORc camp since thats really my main base of operations. From there i'll go to stables to get around. Also, with my Orc i didnt use the warror stone to level up faster so his life is nice and long. Every perk is invested only in two handed weapons, heavy armor and smithing. Now i have 100 hours in him and hes only like a level 24.

The most climatic part of this Orcs life was the civil war I had so much fun in the battle for strongholds i'd play them over and over again. I also play on master difficulty. I only have some small enchanment on my weapons like absorb health, absorb stanima and a fire enchantment on my war axe to increase DOT. Other than that, i found a par of Orish gaultents that increase my two-handed by 35%. And let me tell you i love this Orc. The combat is so immersive and the fight for survial is so much more entralling. My may not have a fancy house but he is one bad ass in your face kind of killer. In the civil war fights i'd not use any potions or food for health. I played until i died and i died a lot. However, i'd also win a couple. In fact those civil war fights with my orc were so fun that i spent 5 hours on one night just playing one fort over and over again much like it was a team death match on Call of duty. You know why those are additcing? its cause even though its the same map each fight plays out differently.

Well, after the civil war was over my Orc needed to make some money doing something so he joined the companions. That was very anticlimatic for my Orc cause he was used to epic battles however, each fight was still fun cause i would not save halfway through any place i had to go so i would die a lot by something i didnt espect or i'd get smashed by some mage since he doest have any type of resistent enchantments. This made me have to think of creative ways to get past certain places. IT made it seem like i was playing Dark Souls i'd die so much. Also, my Orc simply cant go to certain places cause enemies like mages or them bugs that spit posion can put my killinjg machine down as fast as i could smash an avergae stormcloaks head with my hammer. Thus i have a feeling of weakness and power from my Orc. But now only that, i have a good feel of the economy. When i ressuply my Orc needs soulgems and food. And not being a fast traveler i have to get what i need from where ever i am. It shows me the econmy works.

Furthermore, my Orc is pretty board right now and is not sure what to do but kill POW stormcloaks while they are being transported by Imperial soldiers.

However, from playing my Orc i got an idea on what to do for a couple hours with my die hard stormcloak assassin. My assassin got wind of whose side the Orcs are on in the civil war so he went to every singal ORc camp and killed them all. Nows hes back at home chilling with that hot DB chick.

Maybe People need to learn the lesson from that wondering ORc you'll find that is looking for an honerable death. Otherwords, move on and try something new when your burned out on your charactor. Dont rush the content with one player and see everything the game has to offer. I've played over 250 hours and i still havent gone through the main questline or the mages guild. Thus, i'm sure you know what i'm going to role with nexted right? Yes, a pure mage.

I'm not even sure what charactor i'm going to use to go through the main quest yet. Thus, i still have a lot of things to do and see when the complainers who make Godlike charactors only spent 60 hours playing and have nothing else better to do then come on here and complain about how "souless the game is" cuase they have no incentive to play.

And even so, they still got their moneys worth from this game cause most games out there are on rail road tracks and if you done it once you've done it a million times. Moreover, some games only give you about 30 hours of game time IF you've lucky.

Also, when i travel from point A to B I dont save so i am always on my toes out there. And let me tell you one last things, those of you that fast travel are missing out on one of the best things this game has to offfer: the world itself. The world is so bug and so beautiful and filled with so many random encounters i hardly ever know what to espect. Thus, traveling from point A to B is never a time comsuming chore like it was in Oblivion. However, to see all the good things out there one has to have patince to do it. And those that dont are the ones complaing that all the Inns look the same. That would be like saying I dont like the plantet earth cause theres poverty in Mexico. Well, dont chill in Mexico, go to Beverly Hills.

Well as Forest Gump said "thats all i have to say about that."

If you had the attention span to read all this heres a cookie and good hunting.

The problem here is that you have to create challenges for yourself to make the game fun. Your first character has too much money, and the game became boring. But then you purposely made your orc poor, and the game is fun because of the challenges.

This challenge is something that the devs should do instead of the player. It's called balance. You just demonstrated that there is poor balance in the game, so poor that players have to handicap themselves in order to make it fun.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:05 pm

. Now, the way i got to be so rich with him was through stealing/looting and alchemeny. Now this is the part everyone runs to the forums and starts saying "anticlimatic" the game is or "i have too much money" or "the game is broken."

However, this is the time i step back and take the lessons i've learned to create a new plan. Some people just dont know how to move on and be creative.

Yup this is very true. My character spent a long time being poor before I discovered how insane money from alchemy is, but I realized straight away that my character is designed as a poor guy, he's basically a bum ranger with no home, and his only buddy is a fleabag dog. So I decided to just sell up all the potions to the store regardless of the money cap, ended up giving away maybe 7k worth of potions. But that's okay, if I ever do raise enough money to buy a house I would like to feel like I earned it. So I'm going to roleplay that cash instead of grinding it.