Bothered by having too much money : V - Skyrim

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:16 pm

Well when you have an achievement telling you to gain 100,000G what do you expect me to do! Its not like I can ignore achievements!

Put 25g into someones pocket, and steal it.. then put it back, then steal it.. continue until the goal is reached. Though it is the same gold... each time counts as "gaining gold"... Careful.. you put 25g into someones pocket, and they are not as happy as you would expect... they will try to kill you if they cach you giving them gold secretly!... (Wonder if they think you may have more on you!)

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:03 am

I was thinking, maybe one way to offload excess gold would be to buy a lot of expensive gear and then drop it in cities and taverns and watch the people kill each other over it. Like a sort of sick rich man's pasttime.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:21 am

Well when you have an achievement telling you to gain 100,000G what do you expect me to do! Its not like I can ignore achievements!

I know right!

Cheers

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:00 pm

I was thinking, maybe one way to offload excess gold would be to buy a lot of expensive gear and then drop it in cities and taverns and watch the people kill each other over it. Like a sort of sick rich man's pasttime.

Sounds like a worthy past time.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:25 am

Of course, all this only matters if you're one of the people who thinks that there must be expenses equal to income. Personally, I've never understood the whole "But I have to SPEND it on something!" impulse. (Early game, sure - in the "getting set up" phase, you're short on cash & resources. But once you hit the mid-to-late game, why does there need to be money pressure any more?)

Different people, different viewpoints.

When you have a skill whose primary purpose is to make you more money and then fairly quickly money becomes pointless I have to wonder about what the hell were they thinking with speachcraft when they made money so abundant with or without it.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:52 am

I read it all.

Short version: You can play the game however you want, so complaining about having too much money is stupid. If you want to play an open world game, you shouldn't complain when one of the options doesn't suit you.

Personally, I think most people complaining about having too much money also refuse to use trainers, and/or play on too low a difficulty (and thus don't have to buy many potions). If there were less money in the game, we'd see lots of posts with people complaining they can't afford the trainers. Instead those of us that pay to train are nearly broke into the higher levels unless we quit training to save for a house, while online people who don't use training are complaining about too much gold!

by the way does anyone know how to drop coins? i wanted to fill my house with coins and gems like a dragon horde, not leveling fast enough to use it on skill points.
i am one of the people with too much gold, i train, buy houses, waste thousands on ingredients for alchemy, but every gem i see, constantly buy new weapons to disenchant, i spend money in any form i can but i still have tons. We just do not have enough things to spend money. by the way Master difficulty. by level 5 most of my characters have 4-5k gold and this is within the first few hours of just questing or adventuring, the problem is that the game makes it too easy to earn gold. Just by questing, and adventuring i had the house in whiterun and 40k within the first few days of playing.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:21 am

Sorry but I think it is nuts to complain about too much gold in a game. I have seen far worse the opposite in single player and MMOs. Next they will be nerfing the gold you get to where it'll take take 150+ hours of gameplay just to get enough to get a lousy enchantment or piece of gear you want, etc. It all boils down to peoples style of gameplay and personally I would rather have too much then not enough. I loved playing Guild Wars. But their economy was horrid. The loot was crap and you basically picked pennies of corpses. It would take 4 to 6 months to buy one item you wanted, if you could get it at a decent price from overpriced sellers and scammers.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:30 am

I want to add that my complaints are not really based around their being to much money, there based around not having anything to do with it all. Why limit me to donating 5 gold to temples, why can i not poor money into orc camps to make my kin stronger or guilds to buy new stuff for the hall. It would be nice if i could donate 10k gold to a hold so the get nice weapons and armor. I like having a ot of money i just want to be able to spend it. gambling hall, random enchanted item merchant, hire mercs to go fetch 10 bear pelts while i go be a dragonborn. invest in my favorite city to make it's people rich. anything that allows me to spend more money would be nice. i like having it, i like making it, but i hate sitting on it.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:09 am

Sure it's possible! (it's just not usually legal)

Where can I, even illegally, go into a cave and find treasure every 3 days I can sell to pawn shops in real life?

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:36 pm

There are so many complaints leveled at this game ...
The money topic seems to be the one of the day. All i have to say is this game is what YOU make it. For startes let me say i have over 250 hours in this game so i know what i'm talking about. 160 hours have been spent as a rich man and around 100 hours spent as a poor man. And let me tell you both are fun but i can get burned out by any style i play.

This is why i CHANGE up MY play style.

And each time i change my play style i get a different perspective of this game. This applies not only towards money, but also towards everything else in the game that can be changed.

This is why there are forums to go to thats helps you see things in a different light. I hope.

For startes, my assassin/theif is sitting on 30 grand with a pimped up pad in winterhold. I'd have to go look to see how much i've spent or got all together but needless to say it a lot. THe only quest lines i've finished with him was DB and TG. I'm only halfway throught the civil war with him. I got 160 hours out of him then i put him to rest comfortable in his nice house until i figured out what to do with him next. Now, the way i got to be so rich with him was through stealing/looting and alchemeny. Now this is the part everyone runs to the forums and starts saying "anticlimatic" the game is or "i have too much money" or "the game is broken."

However, this is the time i step back and take the lessons i've learned to create a new plan. Some people just dont know how to move on and be creative.

I've wrote a couple threads on my Orc and how to Roleplay them but no one seemed to mind...

Anyway, back to my Orc.

Now, with my Orc i got ideas to roleplay him by Qs i picked up with my Nord assassin. My assassin is down with the Stormcloaks while my Orc is down with the Empire. I went in with my Orc knowing that he's not going to be rich, but rather a surviver. He's not going to be a "City Orc." He's going to get by with what he's going to be a guy that "lives check to check." This is an Orc that carries an Axe and a mining pick to get a few extra coins. Potions are to epensive for him to by. Why? well because everything i take with mets cause i need it and every weapon i have will either be an epic piece or an item that i made.Also, i'm not going to loot every bady i kill or am i walking away with no more then 100 pounds of loot each questline line or dungon i come across. So my Orc scraps by the skin of his teeth for everything that he does. With my ORc i only fast travelback to my ORc camp since thats really my main base of operations. From there i'll go to stables to get around. Also, with my Orc i didnt use the warror stone to level up faster so his life is nice and long. Every perk is invested only in two handed weapons, heavy armor and smithing. Now i have 100 hours in him and hes only like a level 24.

The most climatic part of this Orcs life was the civil war I had so much fun in the battle for strongholds i'd play them over and over again. I also play on master difficulty. I only have some small enchanment on my weapons like absorb health, absorb stanima and a fire enchantment on my war axe to increase DOT. Other than that, i found a par of Orish gaultents that increase my two-handed by 35%. And let me tell you i love this Orc. The combat is so immersive and the fight for survial is so much more entralling. My may not have a fancy house but he is one bad ass in your face kind of killer. In the civil war fights i'd not use any potions or food for health. I played until i died and i died a lot. However, i'd also win a couple. In fact those civil war fights with my orc were so fun that i spent 5 hours on one night just playing one fort over and over again much like it was a team death match on Call of duty. You know why those are additcing? its cause even though its the same map each fight plays out differently.

Well, after the civil war was over my Orc needed to make some money doing something so he joined the companions. That was very anticlimatic for my Orc cause he was used to epic battles however, each fight was still fun cause i would not save halfway through any place i had to go so i would die a lot by something i didnt espect or i'd get smashed by some mage since he doest have any type of resistent enchantments. This made me have to think of creative ways to get past certain places. IT made it seem like i was playing Dark Souls i'd die so much. Also, my Orc simply cant go to certain places cause enemies like mages or them bugs that spit posion can put my killinjg machine down as fast as i could smash an avergae stormcloaks head with my hammer. Thus i have a feeling of weakness and power from my Orc. But now only that, i have a good feel of the economy. When i ressuply my Orc needs soulgems and food. And not being a fast traveler i have to get what i need from where ever i am. It shows me the econmy works.

Furthermore, my Orc is pretty board right now and is not sure what to do but kill POW stormcloaks while they are being transported by Imperial soldiers.

However, from playing my Orc i got an idea on what to do for a couple hours with my die hard stormcloak assassin. My assassin got wind of whose side the Orcs are on in the civil war so he went to every singal ORc camp and killed them all. Nows hes back at home chilling with that hot DB chick.

Maybe People need to learn the lesson from that wondering ORc you'll find that is looking for an honerable death. Otherwords, move on and try something new when your burned out on your charactor. Dont rush the content with one player and see everything the game has to offer. I've played over 250 hours and i still havent gone through the main questline or the mages guild. Thus, i'm sure you know what i'm going to role with nexted right? Yes, a pure mage.

I'm not even sure what charactor i'm going to use to go through the main quest yet. Thus, i still have a lot of things to do and see when the complainers who make Godlike charactors only spent 60 hours playing and have nothing else better to do then come on here and complain about how "souless the game is" cuase they have no incentive to play.

And even so, they still got their moneys worth from this game cause most games out there are on rail road tracks and if you done it once you've done it a million times. Moreover, some games only give you about 30 hours of game time IF you've lucky.

Also, when i travel from point A to B I dont save so i am always on my toes out there. And let me tell you one last things, those of you that fast travel are missing out on one of the best things this game has to offfer: the world itself. The world is so bug and so beautiful and filled with so many random encounters i hardly ever know what to espect. Thus, traveling from point A to B is never a time comsuming chore like it was in Oblivion. However, to see all the good things out there one has to have patince to do it. And those that dont are the ones complaing that all the Inns look the same. That would be like saying I dont like the plantet earth cause theres poverty in Mexico. Well, dont chill in Mexico, go to Beverly Hills.

Well as Forest Gump said "thats all i have to say about that."

If you had the attention span to read all this heres a cookie and good hunting.

A great post, its the same way i play with my nord warrior. More so you have given me a few tips that I hadn't thought of. Straight up about fast travel also, the greatest part of Skyrim is the travel. Thanks for the tips anyway.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:58 pm

Where can I, even illegally, go into a cave and find treasure every 3 days I can sell to pawn shops in real life?

Pompeii

I think there are five buried cities, layer after layer being exposed by real-life tomb-raiders... They are digging from basemants, down to each layer, raiding the city treasures below.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:42 am

Quit being a greedy bastard then.

You see a bunch of beggars walking around, share your coin... even if it is one at a time.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:33 am

I wouldn't say it is a complaint for me. Or something I am bothered by. It hasn't made the game feel soulless or broken or any of that.

It is a more "you know what would be cool?" kind of thing. I think it would be cool to see some flavorful things to spend your money at high levels (of wealth).

It is just a RP thing and an option thing for me. One of my character's concept is career bureaucrat of the Empire sent careening into adventure - think William Blake from Dead Man meets Don Quixote (needless to say a high speech craft was a must). Totally a true believer in the Empire, shook 'em up a bit when they nearly got their head cut off (I like to think the huge amount of time I spent just wandering in the early days is a sign their mind had snapped a little).

They are rather wealthy now and totally eccentric (you should see the bottle collection!). The kind of character who would find themselves rich, find no joy in just having bags of coins in a chest in a vault, but would want to enjoy it and share the wealth with others (a good, eccentric philanthropist) - and probably end up completely broke in a castle somewhere with an awesome bottle collection. Having money, having lots of money, and nothing to spend it on hasn't dented my enjoyment of playing this character in the least or still getting them out to go adventuring with. Just sometimes when I think about it I think "wouldn't it be cool to become a patron of the orphanage or rebuild that village with my money?"

There are so many complaints leveled at this game ...
The money topic seems to be the one of the day. All i have to say is this game is what YOU make it. For startes let me say i have over 250 hours in this game so i know what i'm talking about. 160 hours have been spent as a rich man and around 100 hours spent as a poor man. And let me tell you both are fun but i can get burned out by any style i play.

True, I have four characters I have played with a lot and not a single one is the same. There can be an organic feel to it. Funnily enough my poorest character is my Altmer true mage. I think it just goes to show that dedication to the noble art of magic and to exploring the mysteries of the universe leaves little time to accumulate such banol things as wealth. Well ok, that and magical paraphernalia can be expensive and collect loose change from dead bandits? Moi? I'll have you know the only bodies these hands touch are those in my magical lab.

For startes, my assassin/theif is sitting on 30 grand with a pimped up pad in winterhold. I'd have to go look to see how much i've spent or got all together but needless to say it a lot. THe only quest lines i've finished with him was DB and TG. I'm only halfway throught the civil war with him. I got 160 hours out of him then i put him to rest comfortable in his nice house until i figured out what to do with him next. Now, the way i got to be so rich with him was through stealing/looting and alchemeny. Now this is the part everyone runs to the forums and starts saying "anticlimatic" the game is or "i have too much money" or "the game is broken."

Yes, that attitude doesn't make sense to me either.

If you had the attention span to read all this heres a cookie and good hunting.

Good post, and you have a good attitude and are approaching it the right way I think.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:20 pm

I'm not sure how anyone could possibly think money is easy to come by in Skyrim as long as you are not abusing the systems that exist, like making giants toe potions that are worth over 700 a crack and wasting perks on speechcraft, or enchanting every item you loot, etc. If you just play normal and never wait, fast travel, and actually go home and sleep every night or stay in a hotel, the game plays quite nice.

I have two characters, one level 30 something, the other level 44 and neither of them ever were loaded by any means. Rarely broke, but always something to buy... ingots for crafting, ingredients for potions, a house, weapons to learn their enchantments so I can make uber gear. I craft/buy materials for uber gear for companions too, so as long as your buying all the stuff to forge armor for you and your companion every single time you can make better stuff... you spend probably 20-40k on that alone. I mean one grand soul gem is 1200 or so, all the ingots for a deadric and ebony will set you back a small fortune.

Unless your a total tightwad who mines his own ore and lives in free houses, and refuses to spend a dime anywhere then that is about the only way you can get rich honestly... unless your a thief or assassin then it's easy... but isn't that what the goal is? There should be ways to be over powered, ways to be rich. I tend to acquire power when I need it, once I have enough, I don't spend any more perks in that area or invest any coin in training those things either.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:29 pm

Quit being a greedy bastard then.

You see a bunch of beggars walking around, share your coin... even if it is one at a time.

Only if they dance for it.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:50 am

Quit being a greedy bastard then.

You see a bunch of beggars walking around, share your coin... even if it is one at a time.

i would drop 5k coins to a beggar on a regular basis if i coul but i will not spend an hour donating 1 coin at a time.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:08 pm

i honestly try to gain as much as i can, and i was the same in morrowind. i've made 1,044,352g so far in skyrim and i'll be gaining more at a steady pace for...a very long time.

yes, i am insane. :shocking:

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:44 am

Nice man i really like to hear about how someone other than me will self nerf in a game. I do alot of self nerfing and what is great is that games like FO3 , FONV, Oblivion and now Skyrim is that all still allow for the player to play as they want to without having to meta game. In FONV i started on my 4th character (i have 8 completed different builds siding with different factions and different choices to cover just about the gambit) with a rule that i could only loot what i could craft or repair with based upon the skills at the time and i could only trade what i make. For example early on in the game when my survival skill was low i would kill the occasional bighorner, i could not loot it though because my survival skill was not high enough for me to use the bighorner meat. Once i could make Bighorner steaks i could loot the meat, cook the steaks and sell them to a vendor, other than that i walked away leaving the loot on the body. The only exception to the rule was ammo and explosives. I also decided early on in the game what weapons i was going to use one beginner type like the Varmint Rifle and a 9mm pistol with the intention of staying in 5.56 and 9mm through out the entire game, eventually changing out the Varmint rifle for the All American, but even in that case i still could only pick up weapons that would work to repair the All American everything else i walked away from. Needless to say i spent a considerable amount of time at workbenches, camp fires, and reloading benches, that kind of game play just gets me hard.

In Skyrim still working through it with my first character so i am considerably more lax about my self nerfing content to spend the time learning the game and the craftiing aspect until i find the focus then as i go along i will start the gradual process of figuring out new ways to be annoying to myself until i am just collecting only the stuff i intend yo use. As it is right now i grab everything, even to the point i will carry a body to the beginning of a dungeon and make periodic trips from the depths to pile my loot on the corpse i placed by the entrance. Then i will make periodic trips to various vendors to lay off my booty. This is the time i really wish i could buy a wagon park it outside of a dungeon and pile the collected booty on the wagon maybe a mod maker will see this.

Any way OP nice post, and no matter what anyone says play the game your way as there are just to many games on the market that all have to be played the same that a game like FO3, FONV, Oblivion, and Skyrim are really special. The developers spent considerable time to design the game so that you could play with out them in the way that to go back to a WoW or Witcher 2 limited experience would be like humanity climbing back into the trees from which we dropped a millenia ago in some sort of evolutionary regression.

Asai

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:51 pm

Ive yet to find any 12000 septim items being solf by merchants. Oblivion had some expensive stuff to be bought. The merchants are extremely poor, and they sell [censored]. Its a big complaint of mine. Merchants need more money, and they need to sell better stuff. WTF is with this economy, is skyrim super poor? only [censored] is available? lame...

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:49 pm

Wow.
Respect.

That's the way to play imo.
I'm on 120something hours and am only level 37 with a modest 60 in smithing.
I didn't make myself hold back from smithing either... I just didn't force level it.

I've got around 15k gold, one house and a bunch of assets in the form of gems, metals etc.
Any trading I do generally remains stable at around 15k, sometimes I break 20 and buy a horse to celebrate.

You're damn right about the economy too... it works really well if you aren't fast travelling and you aren't purposefully grinding gold via crafting or w/e.

The game really falls into place when you play like this, all the things like smithing and enchanting that people say are OP suddenly become much more balanced when you aren't fast travelling to every city and buying every iron ingot in every shop within the space of 5 minutes.

The game is there to provide you with the tools needed to (hopefully) craft the character you want.
It cracks me up when people complain that they got the character they set out to build.
If you nail 100 smithing in 10 minutes or w/e... you're doing TES wrong... in my opinion.
Unless you plan to create a demi-god, in which case there shouldn't be any complaints when you get a demi-god...

Thanks for the cookie OP, good post.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:33 am

Ive yet to find any 12000 septim items being solf by merchants. Oblivion had some expensive stuff to be bought. The merchants are extremely poor, and they sell [censored]. Its a big complaint of mine. Merchants need more money, and they need to sell better stuff. WTF is with this economy, is skyrim super poor? only [censored] is available? lame...

It is in the middle of a civil war and dragons are eating people?

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:54 pm

Wow.
Respect.

That's the way to play imo.
I'm on 120something hours and am only level 37 with a modest 60 in smithing.
I didn't make myself hold back from smithing either... I just didn't force level it.

I've got around 15k gold, one house and a bunch of assets in the form of gems, metals etc.
Any trading I do generally remains stable at around 15k, sometimes I break 20 and buy a horse to celebrate.

You're damn right about the economy too... it works really well if you aren't fast travelling and you aren't purposefully grinding gold via crafting or w/e.

The game really falls into place when you play like this, all the things like smithing and enchanting that people say are OP suddenly become much more balanced when you aren't fast travelling to every city and buying every iron ingot in every shop within the space of 5 minutes.

The game is there to provide you with the tools needed to (hopefully) craft the character you want.
It cracks me up when people complain that they got the character they set out to build.
If you nail 100 smithing in 10 minutes or w/e... you're doing TES wrong... in my opinion.
Unless you plan to create a demi-god, in which case there shouldn't be any complaints when you get a demi-god...

Thanks for the cookie OP, good post.

honestly, i just started my orc about two days ago, no enchanting and no crafting. simple by adventuring and a few quests here and there he is already at 10k, i find it hard not to make money. i think in all he has about 10-14 hours on him

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:47 pm

I found this post inspiring

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:55 am

Where can I, even illegally, go into a cave and find treasure every 3 days I can sell to pawn shops in real life?

well its a bit more dangerous nowadays but if you come with me to south america im sure we could make regular visists to some of the gem mines make a pretty penny if u dont mind being hunted by cartel the rest of ur life.

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would be nice if there where some unique things to be had from shops that cost kkk's would be cool to have to save to get a key or dragon claw to a dungeon.
each smith should have offered a upgraded weapon, that would have been cool, would be extra exp to buy just because, also houses could have have been double the price.