There are so many complaints leveled at this game ...
The money topic seems to be the one of the day. All i have to say is this game is what YOU make it. For startes let me say i have over 250 hours in this game so i know what i'm talking about. 160 hours have been spent as a rich man and around 100 hours spent as a poor man. And let me tell you both are fun but i can get burned out by any style i play.

This is why i CHANGE up MY play style.

And each time i change my play style i get a different perspective of this game. This applies not only towards money, but also towards everything else in the game that can be changed.

This is why there are forums to go to thats helps you see things in a different light. I hope.

For startes, my assassin/theif is sitting on 30 grand with a pimped up pad in winterhold. I'd have to go look to see how much i've spent or got all together but needless to say it a lot. THe only quest lines i've finished with him was DB and TG. I'm only halfway throught the civil war with him. I got 160 hours out of him then i put him to rest comfortable in his nice house until i figured out what to do with him next. Now, the way i got to be so rich with him was through stealing/looting and alchemeny. Now this is the part everyone runs to the forums and starts saying "anticlimatic" the game is or "i have too much money" or "the game is broken."

However, this is the time i step back and take the lessons i've learned to create a new plan. Some people just dont know how to move on and be creative.

I've wrote a couple threads on my Orc and how to Roleplay them but no one seemed to mind...


Anyway, back to my Orc.

Now, with my Orc i got ideas to roleplay him by Qs i picked up with my Nord assassin. My assassin is down with the Stormcloaks while my Orc is down with the Empire. I went in with my Orc knowing that he's not going to be rich, but rather a surviver. He's not going to be a "City Orc." He's going to get by with what he's going to be a guy that "lives check to check." This is an Orc that carries an Axe and a mining pick to get a few extra coins. Potions are to epensive for him to by. Why? well because everything i take with mets cause i need it and every weapon i have will either be an epic piece or an item that i made.Also, i'm not going to loot every bady i kill or am i walking away with no more then 100 pounds of loot each questline line or dungon i come across. So my Orc scraps by the skin of his teeth for everything that he does. With my ORc i only fast travelback to my ORc camp since thats really my main base of operations. From there i'll go to stables to get around. Also, with my Orc i didnt use the warror stone to level up faster so his life is nice and long. Every perk is invested only in two handed weapons, heavy armor and smithing. Now i have 100 hours in him and hes only like a level 24.

The most climatic part of this Orcs life was the civil war I had so much fun in the battle for strongholds i'd play them over and over again. I also play on master difficulty. I only have some small enchanment on my weapons like absorb health, absorb stanima and a fire enchantment on my war axe to increase DOT. Other than that, i found a par of Orish gaultents that increase my two-handed by 35%. And let me tell you i love this Orc. The combat is so immersive and the fight for survial is so much more entralling. My may not have a fancy house but he is one bad ass in your face kind of killer. In the civil war fights i'd not use any potions or food for health. I played until i died and i died a lot. However, i'd also win a couple. In fact those civil war fights with my orc were so fun that i spent 5 hours on one night just playing one fort over and over again much like it was a team death match on Call of duty. You know why those are additcing? its cause even though its the same map each fight plays out differently.

Well, after the civil war was over my Orc needed to make some money doing something so he joined the companions. That was very anticlimatic for my Orc cause he was used to epic battles however, each fight was still fun cause i would not save halfway through any place i had to go so i would die a lot by something i didnt espect or i'd get smashed by some mage since he doest have any type of resistent enchantments. This made me have to think of creative ways to get past certain places. IT made it seem like i was playing Dark Souls i'd die so much. Also, my Orc simply cant go to certain places cause enemies like mages or them bugs that spit posion can put my killinjg machine down as fast as i could smash an avergae stormcloaks head with my hammer. Thus i have a feeling of weakness and power from my Orc. But now only that, i have a good feel of the economy. When i ressuply my Orc needs soulgems and food. And not being a fast traveler i have to get what i need from where ever i am. It shows me the econmy works.

Furthermore, my Orc is pretty board right now and is not sure what to do but kill POW stormcloaks while they are being transported by Imperial soldiers.

However, from playing my Orc i got an idea on what to do for a couple hours with my die hard stormcloak assassin. My assassin got wind of whose side the Orcs are on in the civil war so he went to every singal ORc camp and killed them all. Nows hes back at home chilling with that hot DB chick.

Maybe People need to learn the lesson from that wondering ORc you'll find that is looking for an honerable death. Otherwords, move on and try something new when your burned out on your charactor. Dont rush the content with one player and see everything the game has to offer. I've played over 250 hours and i still havent gone through the main questline or the mages guild. Thus, i'm sure you know what i'm going to role with nexted right? Yes, a pure mage.

I'm not even sure what charactor i'm going to use to go through the main quest yet. Thus, i still have a lot of things to do and see when the complainers who make Godlike charactors only spent 60 hours playing and have nothing else better to do then come on here and complain about how "souless the game is" cuase they have no incentive to play.

And even so, they still got their moneys worth from this game cause most games out there are on rail road tracks and if you done it once you've done it a million times. Moreover, some games only give you about 30 hours of game time IF you've lucky.

Also, when i travel from point A to B I dont save so i am always on my toes out there. And let me tell you one last things, those of you that fast travel are missing out on one of the best things this game has to offfer: the world itself. The world is so bug and so beautiful and filled with so many random encounters i hardly ever know what to espect. Thus, traveling from point A to B is never a time comsuming chore like it was in Oblivion. However, to see all the good things out there one has to have patince to do it. And those that dont are the ones complaing that all the Inns look the same. That would be like saying I dont like the plantet earth cause theres poverty in Mexico. Well, dont chill in Mexico, go to Beverly Hills.

Well as Forest Gump said "thats all i have to say about that."

If you had the attention span to read all this heres a cookie and good hunting.

To be honest, I don't think most will read all of this. It is how most forum-goers are, unfortunately; reading is considered an inconvenience. But, yeah; I agree. People complained about it with New Vegas and Fallout 3 as well, despite the fact that it is easy to just trade. Sell just enough to pay for what you want to buy and that is it; never sell for profit. But, that is the way of many: they would rather whine and complain instead of coming up with a solution themselves. Everything just has to be done in a way that pleases them and to hell with any dev who gives them a game where they have to add house rules to make the game more challenging for them because they are apparently the only person that the devs should care about.

This.

Relying on playing style/role play for balance in any game is not good.. no matter what part of the game it is and in Skyrim its not just gold that this applies too.

I suggested MORE money sinks prior to release on various occasions either that be taxes from Holds if you own a house, keeping all the current money sinks in the game and building upon them and even dropping money. None of such is seen in Skyrim hell the largest money sink other then houses in previous games has been cut which was gear durability and repairing it.

But even with these money sinks I proposed and it would never be enough to avoid being rich and nothing to spend it on. Games like Gothic had expensive gear difficult to get because they were expensive and could not be found (100k for top gear) something like this would help Skyrim.

ok. i woke up.

I read it all.


Short version: You can play the game however you want, so complaining about having too much money is stupid. If you want to play an open world game, you shouldn't complain when one of the options doesn't suit you.

Personally, I think most people complaining about having too much money also refuse to use trainers, and/or play on too low a difficulty (and thus don't have to buy many potions). If there were less money in the game, we'd see lots of posts with people complaining they can't afford the trainers. Instead those of us that pay to train are nearly broke into the higher levels unless we quit training to save for a house, while online people who don't use training are complaining about too much gold!

I think part of the problem may be "permanence"... Once you have something, there's no chance of losing it.

However, I don't have any cash on my character.

I think too many player just 'grind' video game today. They play it like a MMO and 'farm' everything. They pick every quest and pick the best skill for the same reason. Cookie Cutter and FOTM(Flavor of the month) have been around for a long time.

I do the same inconsciously but when you're conscious that you're doing something that prevent you from enjoying something , thing get clearer. The other night my elves was running with 4 full plate set in his backpack. I dropped them all on the ground and ... WOW .. That did not change anything . .Sure i just dropped money. But at the same time increased my fun.

I think the developper need other option/idea for the economy. Realist can be a good thing even in fantasy setting.

Well when you have an achievement telling you to gain 100,000G what do you expect me to do! Its not like I can ignore achievements!

people don't complain because they are rich, they complain because they became rich and found nothing to spend the money on... its not about balance its about depth. And its definitely the designers fault. why can't we buy a dmn castle, an army of slaves, obscenely powerful weapons and then have gods to battle if we get that far..

everything is leveled until we get to about level 45 then we run out of content! no new challenges, nothing to spend money on, no stronger creatures to battle... TES has become so shallow there is nothing left in the game to accomplish.. but the scripted story. why didn't they just make TES V a movie and be done with it.

I usually read long posts - this I did not. ...

As for having too much money - I agree to a degree. There aren't any significant money sinks later in the game. Azura's Star / Black Star makes enchanted weapons free to use which would probably be one of the bigger gold sinks. The only way you'll go into the higher levels not rich is if you want to speed to a high level by training every level (which I've started to do, I don't see any reason to grind out all of my levels when I've already done it once, it isn't all that fun).

My current character usually has around 5000 gold at any given time, and I own the house in solitude (I use the Markarth house though, because its just soo much better). But having money doesn't really make the game easier, maybe its just that I never actually buy anything. Also, I agree and think its stupid when people complain over something that they are just forcing upon themselves.

Lol nevermind, nothing to do with money.

I got up to nearly 60,000 septims, but I just dropped around 32 on the Solitude house with all the rooms furnished. Save for a rainy day man...what if your wife wants to divorce you someday...she's gonna want half of those septims. Then you're back to living in Whiterun in your studio apartment with Lydia the creepy roommate.

I'm sorry, have i been asleep for a thousand years? Since when has a TES been about "getting rich" to unlock more content?

See, you play right into my hand. After you hit level 45 go on to another charactor or quit playing till you get mods. Even though this game has no final ending doesnt mean it will last forever. There is enough content in this game to keep me busy for a very long time cause i dont stick with the same thing twice. And i change it up if i feel like its become shallow. Ya'll want an MMO if you want to have a charactor you can stick with for the rest of your life. Me, i change things up and role play cause thats what this game is about.

You only feel like theres nothing left to accomplish cause you power grind to get there and thats your fix. When theres nothing left to grind for your bored. Go play WoW or some other MMO if you want to be a grinder. The only thing thats shallow here is your creativity.

Interesting way to do it.

PS: Oatmeal-Raisin pls.

Thanks.

Looked how long it was - (waste of my time)

I will just reply to the title if that is good with all of you..

I kind of agree.. The reason people have to much money is that they are not spending it.. Like buy lots of arrows and all new weapons.. And turn your houses into horded weapons..

I never have enough money.

I may be doing it wrong. Or right?

Backstaber - you have a point, in that certain roles are unplayable now.. and its not about 'unlocking' content, its about rewarding the player with new challenges instead of the same old challenge re-hashed for your new level.. i don't want a character that takes a lifetime to play, i want one where its possible to get to a stage where i have changed the game world through my own will, and can see those changes, whether i choose to do this with the financial side of the game or the brute force site should be up to me, but it isn't.. i feel like I'm following a set story line .. the writer of which doesn't imagine i would become rich, or powerful, and if i stray to far from the script the game is shown to be as shallow as the linear scripts it relies on.

its like hitting an invisible wall, only with money, its just another limitation that i found too easily..

Money is very easy to come by in this game. My main character is level 54, has not done any civil war quests and almost none of the main quest line. She trains whenever she can and she is sitting on 334k. I have bought and furnished all the homes, except Windhelm (the one quest won't trigger, but it's not a big deal). I have never played the other TES games, but I'm told to just spend what I can, but also save, because later content will cost money. So, I save. I personally enjoy being able to know that if I come across something I want, I don't have to worry about money. If you think you have too much money, don't sell items. If you think you don't have enough, go through some dungeons or do quests. I'm not really sure why people complain about things in game that they can personally control. It's not the games fault you have money, you sold the stuff or did quests. Also, I have all Dragon armor, and Daedric armor and weapons. I spend money all the time.

What else are we supposed to do with all of the loot we find? This isn't abuse of a game mechanic; I'm fairly certain the devs meant for us to sell our unwanted gear. As a consequence, a lot of money is built up. I never try to make thousands and thousands of gold, it just happens. And I would indeed like something useful on which to spend it.

I stopped reading when I realized spell checker was not used and that it was another 'complaining about complainers' post. There's a reason why forums exist - to allow people to express their opinions. Get over it.

Sign a prenup with Lydia. She took me to the cleaners I spit every time I see her riding around Whiterun on her Frost Horse with sapphire crusted Dragon scale horse armor.

Thanks for the short version. I'm glad I didn't have to read two pages for such a recycled argument.

By the same argument, you can say health bars aren't necessary (I'll just decide whether my character is strong enough to beat that dragon and roleplay it) nor are skills (I'll decide if my character is good at sneaking or magic or whatever), etc etc.

Roleplaying environments such as MUCKs or Second Life are fun. There is a MUCK I am very active in.

But when I buy a GAME, I'm expecting the designers to define boundaries of a world and create challenges for me to overcome. To me that is part of the definition of a game. That is why I pay $60 for a game instead of playing a free MUCK.

I try to roleplay as much as I can -- so if my character decides to dig around in a few (hundred) urns and finds some gold, what's he supposed to do? What would YOU do? Maybe there's something big in the future that he'd want to buy and invest in -- he doesn't know. The weapons he has are all found in dungeons and there's pretty much nothing merchant-wjse that he would want to buy (apart from alchemy ingredients).

I was reminded of two quotes while reading this. This first was on TV by some general who was talking about the war in Afgan.

He said: "You have to work from were you are, not from were you wish you were"

I have been a gamer for 25 years. I have many gaming taste. Hell, everyone of the ideas you have to make the game better would make me stick to one charactor longer cause i love the grinding as well. I've played WoW and LoTRO. I get so deep into gaming that the line between real life and the game becomes blurry. I started guilds/kins on both games with about 400 people in each. Planning raids, dealing with guild turmoil, crafting, selling crap at the AH, recruiting and planning ways to make my guild/kin respected, fun and attractive felt like i was a CEO. My goal was to become a high leveled and geared out raiding kin known and respected on the server i was on. Not an easy task but i was up to it. I never made it that far but i past the buck to someone else and they did. I got burned out on the depth of it all. I hardly had time to game lol. Point is, unless the game has everything you love about anything that has to do with gaming sooner or later you'll get burned out. Thats how life is. Geezzz, you can find the love of your life and get burnt out by her in a matter of years and thats a hot sixy girl that can do more for you than a video game that fell straight from heaven. Thus, i understand what Skyrim is and what it has to offer and i like it. It's also a subjective veiw point cause there will always be something that you wish was in the game buts not.

The second quote i thought about was when Todd Howard said "we can do anything, but not everything"

All i have to say here is that what they did do was amazing. I could, like you, go on and on about SO many things that i would have done differently or added to the game. Pffff, i'd start at something as simple as having some co-op but i wont go there. Point is: to please every fan in the world they would have to put everything in this game. Thats not going to happen.

For me: This game is in a class of its own. Its not perfect but hey what is? Are you perfect? is the world we really live in perfect?

didnt think so...

Thus, i think its really sad that the Beth team has to hear about al this hate on there fan website for small little things that dont go their way.

Skyrim is just a game, yet for being just a game its still pretty dam amazing.