Bretons are half elf and half human?

Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:18 pm

So I guess we hit our peak in terms of having the most variety in an Elder Scrolls game true to its lore with Oblivion.

Oh, well. Wherever we go next, though, I hope their lore on that place doesn't involve yet another 'humans are the majority as well as in charge again yaaaay.' Bethesda is a business, so I'm sure they're aware of the 'the biggest market is white males' rule, but that shouldn't stop them from making their visions of Nirn a reality.

At least, that's what I think.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:34 pm

Cyrodiil.

All the other provinces have some outsides but are mostly limited to their own race. The Black Marsh doesn't even allow other races to live in it's deeper parts.

I remember seeing a website that listed the percentages of the races in each Elder Scroll game all the way back to Arena. Can't find it again, but I remember seeing that the Imperial race makes up only 25% of the population of NPCs in Oblivion. Even though Cyrodiil is the home of the Imperials.

Whereas with Morrowind, and Skyrim, it's about 50% each for Dunmer and Nords, respectively.

So, yeah, being that it is the imperial province, it would make sense that it would be the most diverse.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:18 am

Their Elven blood has become more diluted over the centuries. They're 10% mer at most.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:07 pm

So I guess we hit our peak in terms of having the most variety in an Elder Scrolls game true to its lore with Oblivion.

Oh, well. Wherever we go next, though, I hope their lore on that place doesn't involve yet another 'humans are the majority as well as in charge again yaaaay.' Bethesda is a business, so I'm sure they're aware of the 'the biggest market is white males' rule, but that shouldn't stop them from making their visions of Nirn a reality.

At least, that's what I think.

Well we've already had Cyrodiil, High Rock and Skyrim which are the three provinces where white males are the most dominant.

You can argue about whether or not we had Hammerfell which is mostly black males, we've definitely had Morrowind so that leaves us with:

Black Marsh: Primarily Argonians. Difficult to make however because most races can't access the middle of the province without dying...
Elsweyr: Primarily Khajiit (would love to see this)
Valenwood: Bosmer, direct part of the Aldmeri Dominion however so hard to have anything but Khajiit, Bosmer or Altmer
Summerset: Altmer, see above

or arguably Hammerfell.

Regardless a new province will not have white humans as it's primary population group.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:59 am

I don't see them as half elves/half humans.

Their ancestors were the true half elves. You know, the bretons who came out of a union between an actual elf and human.

After the Elves were defeated in the heartland the half-elves were accepted back in human society. A thousand years later and we have the Bretons that are 95% human with just traces of Elven blood in them.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:44 pm

I wonder how many orgies in the lore it would have taken for us to have Khjorcs or Redgonians :{D~
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:19 am

I wonder how many orgies in the lore it would have taken for us to have Khjorcs or Redgonians :{D~

Seven ten and three hundred times for CHIM but only with the seven babies of Vehk and Molag Bal.

Seriously though it wouldn't really happen. Not as you imagine, they would be redguards or orcs, or argonians or Khajiit still but possibly with more talents to the father's race specialities then the rest of their species and perhaps that would be enough to create a new race.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:55 am

Seven ten and three hundred times for CHIM but only with the seven babies of Vehk and Molag Bal.

Seriously though it wouldn't really happen. Not as you imagine, they would be redguards or orcs, or argonians or Khajiit still but possibly with more talents to the father's race specialities then the rest of their species and perhaps that would be enough to create a new race.

Orcs are already a mix, aren't they. Mer and some beast race. It seems like according to TES lore mer is the most compatible. Imagine a Mer and Akaviri mix. Now that would be one hell of race to defeat.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:03 pm

Orcs are already a mix, aren't they. Mer and some beast race. It seems like according to TES lore mer is the most compatible. Imagine a Mer and Akaviri mix. Now that would be one hell of race to defeat.

Not really, but you can came close. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/true-nature-orcs
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:49 am

Every race eventually having screwed so much there is now only one race:

Khjordnianbosdunaltorcetonerialguards.

But they come in ten differnet colors, so it's still the same amount of variety :{D~
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:41 am

Not really, but you can came close. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/true-nature-orcs

But it says they were mer. But not a mix assume.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:44 pm

But it says they were mer. But not a mix assume.

They were Mer, they worshipped a god that got eaten by another god and then transformed (probably as poop) into a third god, his followers transformed with him and became Orcs.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:11 am

Here is an example of what half elf/human should look like.

http://www.kasuto.net/twilight_princess/official_art/tp_art_link03.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/a/ac/Princess_Zelda_Artwork_%28Twilight_Princess%29.png

If Bethesda went that way for their characters I'd never buy a freakin game of theirs again.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:08 am

The other thing to remember is that the Breton's are the dominant race in the western reaches (Hammerfall and High Rock) and in The Reaches of Skyrim. All Forsworn are Breton's and a good number of the folk in Markath, Dragon Bridge and Rorikstead as well, and most of them are are currently involved in a plot to break the reaches off into an independent kingdom.

I've been playing a Forsworn Breton in the game and it's a lot of fun. Her story is in the fan fiction section (Asavia's Tale).

The Breton's don't think of themselves as helf-elves, they consider themselves a race called Reachmen (or Forsworn in Skyrim), you'll hardly ever hear them use Breton when describing themselves.

The Breton's in Cyrodiil are more of a result of occasonal mixed race breedings, while the Reachmen Breton's are a closer knit group with a seperate culture and history spanning back thousands of years, to when they threw off the yoke of the Aldmeri Dominion.

They will likely be a major player in the fight against the Aldmeri Dominion this time as well.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:34 am

The other thing to remember is that the Breton's are the dominant race in the western reaches (Hammerfall and High Rock) and in The Reaches of Skyrim. All Forsworn are Breton's and a good number of the folk in Markath, Dragon Bridge and Rorikstead as well, and most of them are are currently involved in a plot to break the reaches off into an independent kingdom.

I've been playing a Forsworn Breton in the game and it's a lot of fun. Her story is in the fan fiction section (Asavia's Tale).

The Breton's don't think of themselves as helf-elves, they consider themselves a race called Reachmen (or Forsworn in Skyrim), you'll hardly ever hear them use Breton when describing themselves.

The Breton's in Cyrodiil are more of a result of occasonal mixed race breedings, while the Reachmen Breton's are a closer knit group with a seperate culture and history spanning back thousands of years, to when they threw off the yoke of the Aldmeri Dominion.

They will likely be a major player in the fight against the Aldmeri Dominion this time as well.

The thought of briarheart chills me. Basically every tribal leader is a dead thrall. This notion has kept me from playing a Breton so far.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:07 am

No he cant, in Elder scrolls if one parent is an elf and one is a human you will come out full human or full elf, depending on the mother's race.

Cunningly bypassing the work extra work creating mixed race character models in any game they ever make.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:26 am

Cunningly bypassing the work extra work creating mixed race character models in any game they ever make.
And sadly they ignored the immersion of making non-nord children. Hell, they didn't even go for different faces for them.

I know they work hard, but the little things show the inner laziness.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:09 am

The other thing to remember is that the Breton's are the dominant race in the western reaches (Hammerfall and High Rock) and in The Reaches of Skyrim. All Forsworn are Breton's and a good number of the folk in Markath, Dragon Bridge and Rorikstead as well, and most of them are are currently involved in a plot to break the reaches off into an independent kingdom.

I've been playing a Forsworn Breton in the game and it's a lot of fun. Her story is in the fan fiction section (Asavia's Tale).

The Breton's don't think of themselves as helf-elves, they consider themselves a race called Reachmen (or Forsworn in Skyrim), you'll hardly ever hear them use Breton when describing themselves.

The Breton's in Cyrodiil are more of a result of occasonal mixed race breedings, while the Reachmen Breton's are a closer knit group with a seperate culture and history spanning back thousands of years, to when they threw off the yoke of the Aldmeri Dominion.

They will likely be a major player in the fight against the Aldmeri Dominion this time as well.

Calling a Breton and Forsworn the same will likely make you end up in jail in a city like Daggerfall. Also Hammerfell probably has a lot of Dwemer but it's primarily a Redguard nation. The Bretons most likely wouldn't even want an independent forsworn kingdom, and at best they simply wouldn't care about what happens there.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:58 am

Black dominates over white. Though I'm not complaining - global warming means black skin will be more practical than white skin.
Not if half the earth ends up in an ice age! :P
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:07 pm

Zelda is one of the best game series out there.
I never played it, but it did give us Legend of Neil ...

From Notes on Racial Phylogeny and Biology, 7th edition:

" After much anolysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offsping. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though SOME TRACES OF THE FATHER'S RACE MAY ALSO BE PRESENT."

So when the Aldmer and Aylied males impregnated their female human slaves/captives, the offspring would have looked more human, maybe with some elven features.

You have to remember, though, that this mixing mostly happened quite a while ago, and the mixed offspring have for generations been mixing with other humans since that time. I just figured that the only real elven characteristic left in the Bretons is their proficiency for magic and natural magic resistance.
The most likely reason for this decision is that racial powers for mixed races are going to be a nightmare. There are 10 races. That means 90 crossbreed combinations. And then we haven't even gotten to the "But I'm quater ..." yet.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:15 pm

Here is an example of what half elf/human should look like.

http://www.kasuto.net/twilight_princess/official_art/tp_art_link03.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/a/ac/Princess_Zelda_Artwork_%28Twilight_Princess%29.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc&feature=related
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:51 am

They were Mer, they worshipped a god that got eaten by another god and then transformed (probably as poop) into a third god, his followers transformed with him and became Orcs.

Same as the Khajiit then. They were once mer, but were cursed by Azura into beasts.
I think they were a tribe of Aldmer.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:54 am

Wait, so Bretons aren't human? Forgive my ignorance, Skyrim is my first Elder Scrolls game.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:23 am

Wait, so Bretons aren't human? Forgive my ignorance, Skyrim is my first Elder Scrolls game.

They are humans with some elven blood. Mind you, having elven blood in TES doesn't make you somehow "closer to gods" like in Tolkien's books for example. They've just inherited some magical ability from crossbreeding with an another race in the distant past.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:35 am

No, they're 100% French.
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